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British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:30 am

Hi All

I have UK Ancestry visa because my grandfather was British by birth. He was born in UK and served in British Army. He was stationed in IndoPak (before partition of India and Pakistan) and got married to my grandmother in 1943. My mother was born in 1945 and was registered as British citizen in the British Embassy as British Citizen. I have a letter from the embassy in Pakistan stating this.
I have already proved that my grand father was British by birth and due to this I claimed Ancestry visa. Now I love and work in UK.
Is there is any possibility of applying for a British passport for my mother because she was born to a British father who was also serving in the British Army at that time? My uncle (my mother’s younger brother) got his British passport in 1977.
And is there is any possibility for transferring the British nationality to her children.

Thanks

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by secret.simon » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:13 am

asifmadni wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:30 am
Is there is any possibility of applying for a British passport for my mother because she was born to a British father who was also serving in the British Army at that time? My uncle (my mother’s younger brother) got his British passport in 1977.
Your mother should also be able to apply for a British passport.
asifmadni wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:30 am
And is there is any possibility for transferring the British nationality to her children.
When were her children born?
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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:14 am

I was born in 1976

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:20 am

secret.simon wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:13 am
asifmadni wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:30 am
Is there is any possibility of applying for a British passport for my mother because she was born to a British father who was also serving in the British Army at that time? My uncle (my mother’s younger brother) got his British passport in 1977.
Your mother should also be able to apply for a British passport.
asifmadni wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:30 am
And is there is any possibility for transferring the British nationality to her children.
When were her children born?
Thank you for the reply. I was born in 1976

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by secret.simon » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:33 am

You may be in luck. You should be able to register as a British citizen using Form UKM. Be aware that any children born to you can not acquire British citizenship based on your registration. Do you have any siblings?

Your case is helped by a Supreme Court judgment from this February.
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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:37 am

Yes I do have children. So what will be their status if I do acquire British Citizenship? And also what about my wife’s status? They are all here in UK with me as my dependents.

Once again thank you for your advice and guidance.

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by secret.simon » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:40 am

How old are your children?

Assuming that your children were born abroad and are minors, their UK Immigration status will be the same as the less-privileged parent (in this case, your wife).

After you are registered as a British citizen, your wife and children should switch to FLR(M). After five years on FLR(M), they can apply for ILR. After acquiring ILR, the children can be registered as British citizens and your wife can apply immediately for naturalisation as a British citizen.
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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:44 am

No they were Brom in pakistan. So does it mean that they will have to adopt to 5 year route as explained by you? I am not sure if this is the right question or not but I wanted to ask if you can recommend any immigration lawyer who can help me with the applications as explained by you.
Thank you

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by secret.simon » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:50 am

Nobody is allowed to recommend solicitors or any other services on these forums, as mentioned in the Terms and Conditions.

You may not need a solicitor. Just start gathering the paperwork (your maternal grandfather's birth certificate, your maternal grandparents marriage certificate, your mother's consular birth certificate issued by the UK High Commission in Pakistan, etc). The documentation for your mother's passport will likely also suffice for your UKM application.

You can try contacting the General Register Office for a copy of your maternal grandfather's birth certificate.

Once you get your registration as a British citizen, come back to these forums and we can guide you further on the FLR(M) side of things.
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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:58 am

I understand and I do apologize for asking that question.

Since I got UK Ancestry visa by submitting all proof about my maternal grandfather and mother (maternal grandfather birth certificate and mothers birth certificate issued by church in Pakistan and copy of marriage certificate of my grandparents and a court order from Pakistan confirming the parents of my mother and also government registration documents confirming the family tree which shows the grandparents and parents record for myself) so these documents should be enough? And I also have British Embassy letters dated 1950 to 1960 confirming that my mothers name is registered in high commissions record as British citizens. Will all these documents be enough?
I submitted all these documents for my ancestry visa.

Thank you

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by secret.simon » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:06 pm

Page 17-18 of the Guide UKM list the possible documents to submit. Have a read through the guide. That may answer some of your questions.

Besides, the fee for a UKM application is only £80.
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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:22 pm

Ok great I will have a look. I can’t thank you enough for your guidance. Let’s hope and pray it becomes possible.

Once again thank you for all your help and advice.

Is it ok to ask more question on this platform if I get stuck some where.

Thank you

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by secret.simon » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:32 pm

asifmadni wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:22 pm
Is it ok to ask more question on this platform if I get stuck some where.
You are welcome to ask any further questions that we can answer :)
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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:48 pm

Thank you very much 😊

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:26 am

Hi

I have one more question and would be grateful if you could guide me. For my mother british citienship/passport can you please share a link or form I need to complete for her..

Thanks

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by secret.simon » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:46 pm

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:49 pm

Hi thanks once again.

So would it be a case (my mothers) under the fact that she was daughter of a British Army office in her majesty’s service abroad or that she was a British subject because she was born to a British father abroad?

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by secret.simon » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:58 pm

I think you can use either, as under either condition, she would have been a British subject born before 1948 and therefore a CUKC on commencement of the British Nationality Act 1948. Due to having a British father, she would have been a CUKC with Right of Abode under the Immigration Act 1971 and therefore a British citizen in 1983.

The link via a British father in Crown Service may be possibly (I am not sure) give you a better shot at the UKM registration, but the fact that your mother was registered at the British Embassy in Pakistan may make her application for a passport considerably easier.
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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:15 pm

Ok thanks. I will study the application and documents requirements in the link provided by you.

Thanks a lot

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Re: British citizenship/Nationality for my mother

Post by asifmadni » Fri May 11, 2018 11:47 am

Hi

I have one more question. Regarding my moms application for British Pasaport can you please also guide me what will be the best way for my father to apply/accompany her if she gets the passport. Is there anyway he can apply along with her or may be apply for some sort of visa so that they can travel together. He is around 82years old and it will be difficult for them to stay away at this age now. Is there any humanitarian grounds on which he can apply.

Thanks a lot

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