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Application form tier 4

Only for UK Student Visas, formerly known as Tier 4 (General) student visa

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Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by Aamk » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:59 pm

Hi! I am a mother of 3 girls aged 7.5, 9 and 11.5 years from Pakistan. I plan to come to UK for PhD and have been awarded Research Scholarship by a reputable University. By profession I am an academician and am very keen to pursue my degree and not miss this life time funding opportunity. BUT! the problem lies here when I consider my spouse and three children for being my dependents.

Actually my spouse went to UK in year 2000 on a students Visa and got the visa extended by enrolling into another course till 2002. he then again got it extended by enrolling himself in a further degree course but was refused knowing that his attendance was short in the university upon inspection. he then re appealed stating that he changed the university because he wasn't satisfied with the environment there.He attached all the necessary admission documents as well as attendance record and was granted further leave to remain till year 2003.then he entered into a marriage contract with his girlfriend and was granted one year extension to remain. In 2004, he applied for indefinite and was refused based on incomplete documents. He made an appeal to the case for indefinite and meanwhile, home office was considering his case, his parents forced him to get married in Pakistan, as he is the only son of his parents. they wanted him back, upon disclosure of this information, his UK wife refused to provide him the documents for indefinite and they had a breakup. The home office as a result of appeal reconsidered his case and asked for further documents to be provided. in all this scenario, he was so put off that he didn't want to continue his marriage as well as indefinite stay in UK, so he without informing home office came back to Pakistan in July 2005. He got married here in January 2006 as per his parents will and his friend in UK informed him of the refusal for indefinite visa from home office later on. That day and today it's been more than 13 years now, he never happened to go back to UK, had no contact with his wife over there, neither did she try to contact him and there was no divorce filed between them. he didn't overstay in all this time, neither has any police case for him, but he doesn't have original documents for his degree he pursued there, only has the copies and not all of them because he says I was so put off that I left most of my things back in England and left the country for good.

Now the situation is that we are thinking not to apply my spouse's visa as it might affect my children visas as well and it is impossible for me to go to UK without my children as there in no one back home to look after them, and UK immigration rule 319 H (f) is quoted as belows:
"both of the applicant’s (child) parents must either be lawfully present (other than as visitor) in the UK, or being granted entry clearance or leave to remain (other than as visitor) at the same time as the applicant or one parent must be lawfully present (other than as visitor) in the UK and the other is being granted entry clearance or leave to remain (other than as visitor) at the same time as the applicant."

Moreover, another rule says that all dependents must apply together with the tier 4 applicant.

Now the point is that we are afraid that my husband might be refused entry because of his refusal history and past record, so we are advised by the consultants here that I shall not apply my spouse visa straight away with me. if he is refused and we go for appeal, it takes nearly an year or more. moreover with my spouse refusal, based on rule 319 H f, my kids will be refused as their father is not there at the same time as them.

so we decided, to skip my spouse visa now and only apply for me and children under the exception to the rule 319 H f (iii) as stated below:
(iii) there are serious or compelling family or other considerations which would make it desirable not to refuse the application and suitable arrangements have been made in the UK for the applicant’s care.

under this Exception, we have decided to attach my husband existing business project agreement which will end in October, 2018 (He is workings here as a builder and constructor and had entered into a construction project a year ago). We want to add that since he is not available at the moment, he cannot travel. and I have prepared the letter from my very close friend in UK, only 30 mins away from UK, she (her husband) owns a 7 bedroom house and will consent in the letter that I with my children will be living with her and she will offer care for my children in case I am away and they are free from school. This I want to serve as a suitable care arrangements for my children, till the time my Spouse is free to join us in few months.

Now the thing is that I am very confused, since as I am not applying my spouse visa with us and how the home office will consider my children case without my husband. whether they are going to consider my husband's business as " the compelling or family reason" and whether my friend's consent letter will serve as "suitable arrangement" for my children as there is no definition for theses and also how much are the chances that home office will consider my husband's 13 years old history if I apply his visa with me.

Kindly assist me with an expert advise as I have been calling UKCISA, Home Office, UK University Advisers, but on one knows nothing exactly. I shall be highly grateful for this.

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by sah10406 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:34 pm

Aamk wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:59 pm
Kindly assist me with an expert advise as I have been calling UKCISA, Home Office, UK University Advisers, but on one knows nothing exactly.
UKCISA and your university's international student advisers are specialists in Tier 4 student visas, and I am sure have they told you that your query is a long way out of their area of expertise. I expect they have referred you for immigration legal advice. The Home Office does not give immigration advice.

Given the complexity of your query, it is not reasonable or safe to expect detailed one-to-one advice via this forum. You need individual advice from a professional.
I do not give immigration advice. I refer you to Immigration Rules, guidance, other online content and to your sponsor.

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by Aamk » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:46 pm

Thanx for ur reply. Would you suggest some reasonable legal adviser as I have been calling advisers in Uk and they said we don’t offer any service over telephone. So I am again stuck here. How to reach a trust worthy legal adviser in Uk?

Moreover, considering the less amount of available time, I have to make my decision in a couple of days, as AIS have to submit my application latest by this week.

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by Casa » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:50 pm

Under the Board Ts&Cs members are not permitted to post professional recommendations on the open forum.
(Casa, not CR001)
Please don't send me PMs asking for immigration advice on posts that are on the open forum. If I haven't responded there, it's because I don't have the answer. I'm a moderator, not a legal professional.

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by Aamk » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:00 pm

That means I am stuck here. U cannot give professional recommendation but I hope so u can tell me how to get out of this uncertain situation in some way...

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by sah10406 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:54 am

Aamk wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:00 pm
That means I am stuck here.
You do not need a personal recommendation. Both the OISC and ILPA websites have a tool for finding an immigration adviser. Or look for someone in your home country who can advise on UK immigration law.
I do not give immigration advice. I refer you to Immigration Rules, guidance, other online content and to your sponsor.

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by vinny » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:46 am

This is not intended to be legal or professional advice in any jurisdiction. Please click on any given links for further information. Refer to the source of any quotes.
We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by Aamk » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:03 pm

sah10406 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:54 am
Aamk wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:00 pm
That means I am stuck here.
You do not need a personal recommendation. Both the OISC and ILPA websites have a tool for finding an immigration adviser. Or look for someone in your home country who can advise on UK immigration law.
Thank You Sah but the problem is that different people have different opinion and they will give you differing advises, So simply it is hard to find out which advice to follow and where is this going to lead you? I am just a little scared of these advisers after having so many differing views from different people.

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by sah10406 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:37 pm

the problem is that different people have different opinion and they will give you differing advises, So simply it is hard to find out which advice to follow and where is this going to lead you? I am just a little scared of these advisers after having so many differing views from different people.
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I do find it very odd that you would rather seek advice from random online strangers than a qualified and monitored professional.
I do not give immigration advice. I refer you to Immigration Rules, guidance, other online content and to your sponsor.

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by Aamk » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:58 pm

I guess all people here are seeking advices from one another based on their personal experiences so that they can benefit

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Re: Spouse of a Tier 4 Student had been refused Entry before

Post by sah10406 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:05 am

Aamk wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:58 pm
I guess all people here are seeking advices from one another based on their personal experiences so that they can benefit
Your situation seems way too complex and individual for someone else's experience to be relevant.
I do not give immigration advice. I refer you to Immigration Rules, guidance, other online content and to your sponsor.

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Application form tier 4

Post by Aamk » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:11 pm

I want to know about these two questions in the application form which I do not understand
“ have u ever voluntarily elected to depart the Uk?
“ have u ever subject to exclusion order from Uk?
Anyone please explain in what situation these should be marked yes.

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Re: Application form tier 4

Post by sah10406 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:43 am

I strongly advise you use the immigration advice offered by your university for these queries. It is free, impartial, student-focussed, trained and insured.
I do not give immigration advice. I refer you to Immigration Rules, guidance, other online content and to your sponsor.

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