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Same visa as your spouse, Tier 2 Dependent.1. I am on ILR now (previously Tier 2 General) and my wife is on Tier 2 dependent visa. I am not sure what visa application I need to make for my child. Should I consider my child to be a Tier 2 dependent or ILR dependent (Family visa?)
the online form will tell you what is required, including the £630 proof of maintenance funds held for 90 days.2. What are the documents needed for the Child applicant (any pointers) and expected time frame to get visa.
Sorry CR001 I literally don't understandCR001 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:29 amSame visa as your spouse, Tier 2 Dependent.1. I am on ILR now (previously Tier 2 General) and my wife is on Tier 2 dependent visa. I am not sure what visa application I need to make for my child. Should I consider my child to be a Tier 2 dependent or ILR dependent (Family visa?)
the online form will tell you what is required, including the £630 proof of maintenance funds held for 90 days.2. What are the documents needed for the Child applicant (any pointers) and expected time frame to get visa.
You were born outside the UK
Whether you can apply depends on your age and how your parent applied.
If you’re under 18
You must:
not be married, in a civil partnership or living an independent life
be financially supported without claiming public funds
One of your parents must also be applying or have applied for a visa or to extend their permission to stay as a:
partner - and the partner they’re joining is your other parent
parent - and they have sole parental responsibility for you
CR001 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:51 pmA Child settlement visa will be refused if your spouse does not apply for the same category visa, which will reset her clock for ILR to zero and a new 5 year route (2 x 2.5 year visas) to ILR.
The child can only apply for a settlement visa if your spouse is applying for or holds a settlement visa herself.
I said Tier 2 Dependent visa, same category as your wife, both of them dependent on you. Many have done this. In other words, your two dependents cannot have two separate/different visas categories, the rules don't allow it, this is the point.
The HO website also says the following for children to qualify, i.e. spouse settlement visa for the other parent.
https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/child
You were born outside the UK
Whether you can apply depends on your age and how your parent applied.
If you’re under 18
You must:
not be married, in a civil partnership or living an independent life
be financially supported without claiming public funds
One of your parents must also be applying or have applied for a visa or to extend their permission to stay as a:
partner - and the partner they’re joining is your other parent
parent - and they have sole parental responsibility for you
Children of relevant points-based system migrants or Appendix W Worker
319F. Purpose
This route is for the children of a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker who are under the age of 18 when they apply to enter under this route. Paragraph 296 of these Rules applies to children of a Relevant Points Based System Migrants or Appendix W Workers.
319G. Entry to the UK
(a) Subject to paragraph (b), all migrants wishing to enter as the Child of a relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker must have a valid entry clearance for entry under this route. If they do not have a valid entry clearance, entry will be refused.
(b) A Migrant arriving in the UK and wishing to enter as a child of a Tier 5 (Temporary Worker) Migrant, who does not have a valid entry clearance will not be refused entry if the following conditions are met:
(i) the migrant wishing to enter as a child is not a visa national,
(ii) the migrant wishing to enter as a child is accompanying an applicant who at the same time is being granted leave to enter under paragraph 245ZN(b), and
(iii) the migrant wishing to enter as a Child meets the requirements of entry clearance in paragraph 319H.
319H. Requirements for entry clearance or leave to remain
To qualify for entry clearance or leave to remain under this route, an applicant must meet the requirements listed below. If the applicant meets these requirements, entry clearance or leave to remain will be granted. If the applicant does not meet these requirements, the application will be refused.
Requirements:
(a) The applicant must not fall for refusal under the general grounds for refusal, and if applying for leave to remain, must not be an illegal entrant.
(b) The applicant must be the child of a parent who has, or is at the same time being granted, valid entry clearance, leave to enter or remain, or indefinite leave to remain, as:
(i) a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker, or
(ii) the partner of a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker.
or who has obtained British citizenship having previously held indefinite leave to remain as above.
(c) The applicant must be under the age of 18 on the date the application is made, or if over 18 and applying for leave to remain, must have, or have last been granted, leave as the child of a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker or as the child of the parent who had leave under another category of these Rules and who has since been granted, or, is at the same time being granted, leave to remain as a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker.
(d) The applicant must not be married or in a civil partnership, must not have formed an independent family unit, and must not be leading an independent life and, if he is over the age of 16 on the date the application is made, he must provide the specified documents and information in paragraph 319H-SD to show that this requirement is met.
(e) The applicant must not intend to stay in the UK beyond any period of leave granted to the Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker parent.
(f) Both of the applicant’s parents must either be lawfully present (other than as a visitor) in the UK, or being granted entry clearance or leave to remain (other than as a visitor) at the same time as the applicant or one parent must be lawfully present (other than as a visitor) in the UK and the other is being granted entry clearance or leave to remain (other than as a visitor) at the same time as the applicant, unless:
(i) The Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker is the applicant’s sole surviving parent, or
(ii) The Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker parent has and has had sole responsibility for the applicant’s upbringing, or
(iii) there are serious or compelling family or other considerations which would make it desirable not to refuse the application and suitable arrangements have been made in the UK for the applicant’s care.
296. Nothing in these Rules shall be construed as permitting a child to be granted entry clearance, leave to enter or remain, or variation of leave where his parent is party to a polygamous marriage or civil partnership and any application by that parent for admission or leave to remain for settlement or with a view to settlement would be refused pursuant to paragraphs 278 or 278A.
Leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom as the child of a parent, parents or a relative present and settled or being admitted for settlement in the United Kingdom
Requirements for indefinite leave to enter the United Kingdom as the child of a parent, parents or a relative present and settled or being admitted for settlement in the United Kingdom
297. The requirements to be met by a person seeking indefinite leave to enter the United Kingdom as the child of a parent, parents or a relative present and settled or being admitted for settlement in the United Kingdom are that he:
(i) is seeking leave to enter to accompany or join a parent, parents or a relative in one of the following circumstances:
(a) both parents are present and settled in the United Kingdom; or
(b) both parents are being admitted on the same occasion for settlement; or
(c) one parent is present and settled in the United Kingdom and the other is being admitted on the same occasion for settlement; or
(d) one parent is present and settled in the United Kingdom or being admitted on the same occasion for settlement and the other parent is dead; or
(e) one parent is present and settled in the United Kingdom or being admitted on the same occasion for settlement and has had sole responsibility for the child’s upbringing; or
(f) one parent or a relative is present and settled in the United Kingdom or being admitted on the same occasion for settlement and there are serious and compelling family or other considerations which make exclusion of the child undesirable and suitable arrangements have been made for the child’s care; and
(ii) is under the age of 18; and
(iii) is not leading an independent life, is unmarried and is not a civil partner, and has not formed an independent family unit; and
(iv) can, and will, be accommodated adequately by the parent, parents or relative the child is seeking to join without recourse to public funds in accommodation which the parent, parents or relative the child is seeking to join, own or occupy exclusively; and
(v) can, and will, be maintained adequately by the parent, parents, or relative the child is seeking to join, without recourse to public funds; and
(vi) holds a valid United Kingdom entry clearance for entry in this capacity; and
(vii) does not fall for refusal under the general grounds for refusal.
CR001 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:13 pmFor a settlement visa, Immigration Rules Part 8 - Children states the below, which you will fail if your spouse does not apply for the same visa which will reset her clock to zero.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration ... ly-members
296. Nothing in these Rules shall be construed as permitting a child to be granted entry clearance, leave to enter or remain, or variation of leave where his parent is party to a polygamous marriage or civil partnership and any application by that parent for admission or leave to remain for settlement or with a view to settlement would be refused pursuant to paragraphs 278 or 278A.
Leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom as the child of a parent, parents or a relative present and settled or being admitted for settlement in the United Kingdom
Requirements for indefinite leave to enter the United Kingdom as the child of a parent, parents or a relative present and settled or being admitted for settlement in the United Kingdom
297. The requirements to be met by a person seeking indefinite leave to enter the United Kingdom as the child of a parent, parents or a relative present and settled or being admitted for settlement in the United Kingdom are that he:
(i) is seeking leave to enter to accompany or join a parent, parents or a relative in one of the following circumstances:
(a) both parents are present and settled in the United Kingdom; or
(b) both parents are being admitted on the same occasion for settlement; or
(c) one parent is present and settled in the United Kingdom and the other is being admitted on the same occasion for settlement; or
(d) one parent is present and settled in the United Kingdom or being admitted on the same occasion for settlement and the other parent is dead; or
(e) one parent is present and settled in the United Kingdom or being admitted on the same occasion for settlement and has had sole responsibility for the child’s upbringing; or
(f) one parent or a relative is present and settled in the United Kingdom or being admitted on the same occasion for settlement and there are serious and compelling family or other considerations which make exclusion of the child undesirable and suitable arrangements have been made for the child’s care; and
(ii) is under the age of 18; and
(iii) is not leading an independent life, is unmarried and is not a civil partner, and has not formed an independent family unit; and
(iv) can, and will, be accommodated adequately by the parent, parents or relative the child is seeking to join without recourse to public funds in accommodation which the parent, parents or relative the child is seeking to join, own or occupy exclusively; and
(v) can, and will, be maintained adequately by the parent, parents, or relative the child is seeking to join, without recourse to public funds; and
(vi) holds a valid United Kingdom entry clearance for entry in this capacity; and
(vii) does not fall for refusal under the general grounds for refusal.
Your wife already has a valid visa, no need to apply for her. You apply only for the child as a PBS dependent.My wife came to the UK as a Tier 2 Dependent with visa valid from 27-03-2017 till 27-03-2020.
There is no absence limit for PBS Dependents whose visas were issued before 11th January 2018.and also my wife stayed out of the uk for more than one year.
CR001 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:32 pmYour wife already has a valid visa, no need to apply for her. You apply only for the child as a PBS dependent.My wife came to the UK as a Tier 2 Dependent with visa valid from 27-03-2017 till 27-03-2020.
Please read the highlighted parts of the immigration rules I have provided about PBS Dependents (children), it explains it fairly clearly.
There is no absence limit for PBS Dependents whose visas were issued before 11th January 2018.and also my wife stayed out of the uk for more than one year.
It really would have been easier had the child be born in the UK, as the child would have then been entitled to register as British as soon as you got ILR, even if the child was abroad after being born here.
See below.where did you highlight parts of the immigration rules? Can you please send here again apologize for asking again
CR001 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:11 pmSuit yourself. There are many that have been refused for the children due to the other parent holding a PBS Dependent visa.
The Call centre is outsourced to a third party who are poorly trained, often give out incorrect advice (or don't understand your questions) and take no responsibility for it.
You lose the application fee of £1523 if you go ahead with a child settlement visa.
What you 'think' is irrelevant, the Immigration rules are very clear and that is what HO follows, to the letter.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration ... ly-members
Children of relevant points-based system migrants or Appendix W Worker
319F. Purpose
This route is for the children of a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker who are under the age of 18 when they apply to enter under this route. Paragraph 296 of these Rules applies to children of a Relevant Points Based System Migrants or Appendix W Workers.
319G. Entry to the UK
(a) Subject to paragraph (b), all migrants wishing to enter as the Child of a relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker must have a valid entry clearance for entry under this route. If they do not have a valid entry clearance, entry will be refused.
(b) A Migrant arriving in the UK and wishing to enter as a child of a Tier 5 (Temporary Worker) Migrant, who does not have a valid entry clearance will not be refused entry if the following conditions are met:
(i) the migrant wishing to enter as a child is not a visa national,
(ii) the migrant wishing to enter as a child is accompanying an applicant who at the same time is being granted leave to enter under paragraph 245ZN(b), and
(iii) the migrant wishing to enter as a Child meets the requirements of entry clearance in paragraph 319H.
319H. Requirements for entry clearance or leave to remain
To qualify for entry clearance or leave to remain under this route, an applicant must meet the requirements listed below. If the applicant meets these requirements, entry clearance or leave to remain will be granted. If the applicant does not meet these requirements, the application will be refused.
Requirements:
(a) The applicant must not fall for refusal under the general grounds for refusal, and if applying for leave to remain, must not be an illegal entrant.
(b) The applicant must be the child of a parent who has, or is at the same time being granted, valid entry clearance, leave to enter or remain, or indefinite leave to remain, as:
(i) a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker, or
(ii) the partner of a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker.
or who has obtained British citizenship having previously held indefinite leave to remain as above.
(c) The applicant must be under the age of 18 on the date the application is made, or if over 18 and applying for leave to remain, must have, or have last been granted, leave as the child of a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker or as the child of the parent who had leave under another category of these Rules and who has since been granted, or, is at the same time being granted, leave to remain as a Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker.
(d) The applicant must not be married or in a civil partnership, must not have formed an independent family unit, and must not be leading an independent life and, if he is over the age of 16 on the date the application is made, he must provide the specified documents and information in paragraph 319H-SD to show that this requirement is met.
(e) The applicant must not intend to stay in the UK beyond any period of leave granted to the Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker parent.
(f) Both of the applicant’s parents must either be lawfully present (other than as a visitor) in the UK, or being granted entry clearance or leave to remain (other than as a visitor) at the same time as the applicant or one parent must be lawfully present (other than as a visitor) in the UK and the other is being granted entry clearance or leave to remain (other than as a visitor) at the same time as the applicant, unless:
(i) The Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker is the applicant’s sole surviving parent, or
(ii) The Relevant Points Based System Migrant or Appendix W Worker parent has and has had sole responsibility for the applicant’s upbringing, or
(iii) there are serious or compelling family or other considerations which would make it desirable not to refuse the application and suitable arrangements have been made in the UK for the applicant’s care.
Yes, her absence is not relevant as her CURRENT visa was issued BEFORE 11th January 2018. She can apply for ILR within 28 days before the 5th anniversary of her initial visa stamp date. Child will be able to apply with her for ILR.My wife came to the UK on tier 2 dependent visa 28th may 2017 and she left the UK on March 20, 2018, and she is still in India. HER stay will be calculated from may 2017 even though she stayed for more than one year outside of the UK, is she still eligible for ILR after May 2022??
No need to apply for wife. Once they are both back in the UK (remember baby will get a 30 day valid visa vignette) they can apply to extend their visas shortly before expiry next year. The child's visa will be issued in line with your wife's visa validity.This the time I only have to apply PBS dependent for my baby. No need to apply for my wife because she has the visa valid up to March 2020. she can come to the UK on that visa is that right?
How can a child apply for ILR because child not completed 5 years in the UK right??Yes, her absence is not relevant as her CURRENT visa was issued BEFORE 11th January 2018. She can apply for ILR within 28 days before the 5th anniversary of her initial visa stamp date. Child will be able to apply with her for ILR.My wife came to the UK on tier 2 dependent visa 28th may 2017 and she left the UK on March 20, 2018, and she is still in India. HER stay will be calculated from may 2017 even though she stayed for more than one year outside of the UK, is she still eligible for ILR after May 2022??
OMG really. If i apply for PBS dependent visa my baby will only get one year visa. in the application when they asking visa expiry date should I include my wife's one visa validity date or my ILR visa valididty date. I hope based on this only i have to pay for IHS fee alsoNo need to apply for wife. Once they are both back in the UK (remember baby will get a 30 day valid visa vignette) they can apply to extend their visas shortly before expiry next year. The child's visa will be issued in line with your wife's visa validity.This the time I only have to apply PBS dependent for my baby. No need to apply for my wife because she has the visa valid up to March 2020. she can come to the UK on that visa is that right?
There is no 5 years minimum residence requirement for PBS Dependent children.How can a child apply for ILR because child not completed 5 years in the UK right??
Likely your spouse. You will need to see what the form asks.OMG really. If i apply for PBS dependent visa my baby will only get one year visa. in the application when they asking visa expiry date should I include my wife's one visa validity date or my ILR visa valididty date. I hope based on this only i have to pay for IHS fee also
Thanks For all your answers I appreciate it.CR001 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:54 pmThere is no 5 years minimum residence requirement for PBS Dependent children.How can a child apply for ILR because child not completed 5 years in the UK right??
Likely your spouse. You will need to see what the form asks.OMG really. If i apply for PBS dependent visa my baby will only get one year visa. in the application when they asking visa expiry date should I include my wife's one visa validity date or my ILR visa valididty date. I hope based on this only i have to pay for IHS fee also
I am applying from this website
this is so annoying