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Registration of Baby Born in a BOTC

Post by MotherOfOne » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:05 pm

Hi I am Jamaican and I have a baby girl who was born in Anguilla "British West Indies Island". Her Father is British and we are wonderding if she has to be registered as a british citizen before we can apply for her passport? Also if she has to be registered how long does this procedure normally take and how much will it cost.

I was informed by the immigration office in Anguilla that it would cost 400pounds, but they were unable to say how long it would take.

Thanks for your help.
Nicola

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Post by vinny » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:41 am

When was the baby's birthdate? (i.e. does the baby's father satisfy the meaning of parent?)
Is the baby's father British otherwise than by descent? (e.g. born in the UK?)
Are you married to the baby's father?
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Re: Registration of Baby Born in a BOTC

Post by JAJ » Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:03 am

MotherOfOne wrote:Hi I am Jamaican and I have a baby girl who was born in Anguilla "British West Indies Island". Her Father is British and we are wonderding if she has to be registered as a british citizen before we can apply for her passport? Also if she has to be registered how long does this procedure normally take and how much will it cost.

I was informed by the immigration office in Anguilla that it would cost 400pounds, but they were unable to say how long it would take.
Birth registration, in the sense of obtaining a birth certificate, must be done in Anguilla. However, this does not in itself prove citizenship and is not really an immigration matter.

The birth certificate ought to show the father's details - does it?

Your post suggests the child was born recently and if this is the case, then as a person born in a British territory with a British citizen parent, your daughter is automatically a British citizen otherwise than by descent and can apply directly for a British citizen passport.

If child was born before 1 July 2006 then if you were unmarried, then you do need to register the child as a British citizen with the Home Office in Britain.

If child was born before 21 May 2002, then it may be an issue if father was British "by descent".

You do need to understand that even if the child is a British citizen, the child does not become a British Overseas Territories citizen (unless one of you is also a BOTC or permanently settled in a British territory). Also, whether or not the child has any status in Anguilla is going to depend on Anguilla's immigration laws.

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Post by MotherOfOne » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:03 pm

Hi Thanks for replying,

My baby girl was born October 2007 and is registered in Anguilla, however she in not Anguillan even though she is entitled by virtue of her Grandfather being Anguillan. She is being naturalized as an Anguillan which will take 3-8months before we will receive a reply.


Her Father was born in the UK to a Jamaican mother and an Anguillan Father (So he is british by birth). We are not married hence the reason I am not sure as to whether she is entitled to British Citizenship or not. He was told at the immigration department that she is British, however I am being told here in Anguilla that because we are not married they cannot issue a British passport for her.

However, they then tell us that she can be registered as a British Citizen and gave us the form to complete. So right now I am really confused.

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Post by JAJ » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:50 am

MotherOfOne wrote:Hi Thanks for replying,

My baby girl was born October 2007 and is registered in Anguilla, however she in not Anguillan even though she is entitled by virtue of her Grandfather being Anguillan. She is being naturalized as an Anguillan which will take 3-8months before we will receive a reply.
Do you mean there is an application for her to be registered as a British Overseas Territories citizen?
Her Father was born in the UK to a Jamaican mother and an Anguillan Father (So he is british by birth). We are not married hence the reason I am not sure as to whether she is entitled to British Citizenship or not. He was told at the immigration department that she is British, however I am being told here in Anguilla that because we are not married they cannot issue a British passport for her.

However, they then tell us that she can be registered as a British Citizen and gave us the form to complete. So right now I am really confused.
The Anguilla authorities are wrong. It is quite a concern when they appear not to know about the change in the law (on British nationality) on unmarried fathers which took effect on 1 July 2006.

Basically, since then, an unmarried father is considered to be the "father" as long as he is named on the birth certificate.

The reference is in Annex F to Chapter 6 of the Home Office Nationality Instructions:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... ichapter6/

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22.2 In relation to a person born on or after 1 July 2006,
• the mother is the woman who gives birth to the child, and
• the father is either
(a) the mother’s husband, if any, at the time of the child’s birth,
(b) any person who is treated as the father under s.28 of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990 (see Volume 2, SURROGACY), or
(c) (if neither of the above applies), a person who is proven to be the father by the production of either (i) a birth certificate identifying him as such, and issued by the competent registration authority within 12 months of the birth of the child to which it relates or (ii) such other evidence (eg a DNA test report or court order) as may satisfy the Secretary of State in this point.

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So your daughter is already a British citizen and cannot be naturalised or registered as such.

You need to go back to the Anguilla Passport Office and insist on speaking to someone who knows the law. If they have got a problem understanding it, they need to get some additional information from the Foreign Office or the Home Office back in the United Kingdom.

The same change in the law applies to BOTC, so if her father is BOTC then she is too.

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Post by jei2 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:08 pm

I second this advice.

It's worrying that the 1 July 2006 changes are still not known among the relevant immigration agencies. Makes you wonder how many British children born overseas are being deprived of their own citizenahip.
Oh, the drama...!

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Post by MotherOfOne » Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:51 am

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your help. I've contacted the Governor (British Representative) and explained my problem. He said he would email the Home Office and get the necessary documents needed to inform the immigration department of the changes that occur on 1 July 2006.

I will keep you guys posted. Thanks again for everyone's help.

Nicola

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Post by JAJ » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:27 pm

jei2 wrote:I second this advice.

It's worrying that the 1 July 2006 changes are still not known among the relevant immigration agencies. Makes you wonder how many British children born overseas are being deprived of their own citizenahip.
Not being deprived of their own citizenship, merely evidence of same. Such wrong decisions can be challenged anytime.

More serious are those cases where wrong advice causes someone to miss an age limit for registration as a British citizen. For example, children born before 1 July 2006 to unmarried British fathers have been eligible for registration as British citizens (under policy) since 2000, but only if aged under 18.

A lot of people have missed that deadline (or will miss it in future) due to wrong information being given by embassies overseas.

In my experience, officials who shout their views the most confidently are often the ones who are utterly wrong.

This level of ignorance can also affect U.K. born children, especially with unmarried fathers and/or foreign (but "settled") parents.
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Post by JAJ » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:28 pm

MotherOfOne wrote:Hi Guys,

Thanks for your help. I've contacted the Governor (British Representative) and explained my problem. He said he would email the Home Office and get the necessary documents needed to inform the immigration department of the changes that occur on 1 July 2006.

There really isn't any ambiguity about the law, so you should expect this to be resolved soon. Remember that it applies to BOTC as well as British citizenship.

Keep us informed how things develop.

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Post by jei2 » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:53 am

JAJ wrote:
jei2 wrote:I second this advice.

It's worrying that the 1 July 2006 changes are still not known among the relevant immigration agencies. Makes you wonder how many British children born overseas are being deprived of their own citizenahip.
Not being deprived of their own citizenship, merely evidence of same. Such wrong decisions can be challenged anytime.
Only if those decisions become known. But if a person goes through their life cycle having been wrongly advised, that is deprivation of citizenship in any meaningful sense.
Oh, the drama...!

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