Please help AK divorce deed

[nasa]

Hi everyone.
I really need some advice.
In 2010 my husband gave me a divorce deed and stating that hes divorced me and that from that date i am free to remarry, I was told nothing else will be issued after that because hes from Azad Kashmir, I did apply for a spouse visa once and it got refused.

In 2012 i got married again but this time in pakistan thinking the deed is the only thing i need and they accepted it and conducted our marriage.
Due to problems i couldnt make a application for a spouse visa for my current husband however i have been visiting him and i have 2 kids with him.
Here is the worry im having,Im planning to bring my husband over to the uk now and Ive only got a divorce deed to prove im divorced and that states i am free to remarry on 31.7.2010, I dont think that will be accepted, my previous marriage wasnt registered with nadra however as soon as i got married with with my current husband he registered our marriage and we have a nadra registered certificate stating me as divorced plus our pakistani Id have our marriage registered.
Can someone please guide me in regards to this deed which is on a stamp paper and attested in court by the oath commisioner, ive tried to contact people in azad kashmir for years but noone helps and offers fake divorce certificates which i will never go ahead with and asking for 10000s. Please any advise x

[nasa]

Please can anyone help x

[nasa]

i guess no one will answer

[TODMATT]

Hi everyone.
I really need some advice.
In 2010 my husband gave me a divorce deed and stating that hes divorced me and that from that date i am free to remarry, I was told nothing else will be issued after that because hes from Azad Kashmir, I did apply for a spouse visa once and it got refused.

In 2012 i got married again but this time in pakistan thinking the deed is the only thing i need and they accepted it and conducted our marriage.
Due to problems i couldnt make a application for a spouse visa for my current husband however i have been visiting him and i have 2 kids with him.
Here is the worry im having,Im planning to bring my husband over to the uk now and Ive only got a divorce deed to prove im divorced and that states i am free to remarry on 31.7.2010, I dont think that will be accepted, my previous marriage wasnt registered with nadra however as soon as i got married with with my current husband he registered our marriage and we have a nadra registered certificate stating me as divorced plus our pakistani Id have our marriage registered.
Can someone please guide me in regards to this deed which is on a stamp paper and attested in court by the oath commisioner, ive tried to contact people in azad kashmir for years but noone helps and offers fake divorce certificates which i will never go ahead with and asking for 10000s. Please any advise x

This is extremely complicated issue. Your previous husband gave you a divorce deed but is it something which is recognised under the law where the divorce took place? Where did your previous marriage took place?

[nasa]

Thank you so so much for replying,
its how they do it in Azad Kashmir. It clearly states on the deed i am free to remarry 31.7.2010, with a court stamp on it,
And my husbands statement that im divorcing her and i we dont have nothing to donwith each other from 31.7.2010,
Since 2010 we’ve never heard of each other
Ive asked numerous people if thats legal and theyve said yes,
Im just worried about the actual document.
Marriage was done over in Azad Kashmir, hes never been to the UK as my husband but i did apply once but was rufused

[nasa]

Surely if it was against the law they wouldnt have let me get married again in pakistan in 2012,
Its different for men they allow more than one marriages never for women.
My current husband registered our marriage few days after the marriage without any problems,
Its just document im worried about

[TODMATT]

Thank you so so much for replying,
its how they do it in Azad Kashmir. It clearly states on the deed i am free to remarry 31.7.2010, with a court stamp on it,
And my husbands statement that im divorcing her and i we dont have nothing to donwith each other from 31.7.2010,
Since 2010 we’ve never heard of each other
Ive asked numerous people if thats legal and theyve said yes,
Im just worried about the actual document.
Marriage was done over in Azad Kashmir, hes never been to the UK as my husband but i did apply once but was rufused

You need to ensure the documents you are submitting is not falsified otherwise application will be refused.

“EC.2.1. The applicant will normally be refused on grounds of suitability if any of paragraphs S-EC.2.2. to 2.5. apply.

S-EC.2.2. Whether or not to the applicant’s knowledge-

(a) false information, representations or documents have been submitted in relation to the application (including false information submitted to any person to obtain a document used in support of the application); or
(b) there has been a failure to disclose material facts in relation to the application.”

[nasa]

i really dont know how i can prove these documents are false or not,
I dont have any family in pakistan either,
If it is a origional document is that enough proof that i was free to marry??
it does say from 31.7.2010 im free to remarry with my ex’s signiture, a court stamp and signiture of a oath commisioner plus its says attested,
I guess that means its authentic

[TODMATT]

i really dont know how i can prove these documents are false or not,
I dont have any family in pakistan either,
If it is a origional document is that enough proof that i was free to marry??
it does say from 31.7.2010 im free to remarry with my ex’s signiture, a court stamp and signiture of a oath commisioner plus its says attested,
I guess that means its authentic

We would have to assume it’s authentic.

[nasa]

So will that document be enough that i was free to marry?
Nothing else was ever given to me after that,
I just dont want HO asking for more documents because the nature of how we got divorced it wasnt safe for me to go there after that.

[nasa]

Sorry, what i mean will this deed be enough evidence that i was free to marry

[TODMATT]

So will that document be enough that i was free to marry?
Nothing else was ever given to me after that,
I just dont want HO asking for more documents because the nature of how we got divorced it wasnt safe for me to go there after that.

It's hard to say because I have never seen that document before nor you yourself can't verify the authencity however, it was issued by a court and there's stamp on it so UKVI can verify the documents by doing a Document verification report to see whether the divorce certificate is genuine. Your new marriage took place as a result of you telling the registar that you are free to remarry again.

[nasa]

Yes correct after seeing that document only then i was allowed to get married as per law plus like ive mentioned earlier
Its impossible for a woman to have more than one husband Islamically

[nasa]

Im so stressed, im getting to know that i should have been provided with a actual divorce certificate, can anyone please guide me how i can do that, i dont have any family over there and i cant go there myself, however i do know that i am divorced as per islamic law, and i was free to remarry, do u think if i write a letter explaining my situation and that i wasnt provided with anythin and why i couldnt go back there the divorce deed what ive got will be accepted?
I havent done anything against the pakistan/ azad kashmir law what so ever

[CR001]

If you are British and lived in the UK at that time, you should have divorced through the British courts.

It is mandatory to submit evidence that you were divorced when you remarried and that you were free to remarry at that time.

[nasa]

He has never entered the uk do i still need a english divorce?
problem is my current marriage which took place in 2012 in pakitan wont be reconised by the homeoffice if i get a divorce certificate from the uk.
The document ive got states islamically and i guess by law aswel im divorced and i am free to remarry from 31.7.2010.
Will i have to re register my current marriage islamically then in pakistan
Or will homeoffice accept uk divorce present date and ialamic divorce since 2010

[nasa]

Ive asked few solicitors and advice really differs,
Some are saying divorce deed on a stamp paper itself wont be enough and some are saying it will, however all of them acknowlege that i was free to marry the date of the deed in 2010 and my present marriage is not against pskistan law,
The ones that are saying deed itself wont be enough want me to get a divorce certificate from abroad even tho i have told them i dont have anyone there and i wouldnt go there alone due to the risk of viloence.
Can anyone advise,
Would it be better if i got uk divorce but will have 2 dates pakistan divorced since 2010 and divorced from uk present date
Which one will they look at?

[TODMATT]

I believe you didn't attend any proceeding for the divorce ?

[nasa]

Due to the risk of violence as it was a very forced marriage which involved alot if abuse, i couldnt be there, all i was told that this document will be the only thing that will prove i am divorced, i really need to put an end to this, can someone please advice me how i can bring my husband over?
Is a fiancee visa a option, after my uk divorce is finished, will they disregard the pakistan 2010 divorce deed? Or after my uk divorce can i go to pakistan and get my marriage reregistered. i have 2 kids with my current partner and been with him long distance since 2012

[nasa]

Anyone?, it would mean the world if someone could direct me

[nasa]

The divorce was obtained legally and as per pakistan law i was free to remarry, It states in black and white,
i have decided to go through with the UK divorce and will explain my situation why my decree absolute is after my second marraige due to them not handing out my actual divorce certificate.
i am also aware of the risk of 2nd marriage done before decree absolute and the our spouse application being refused but for women its impossible to have more than 1 husband ,
I havent and wouldnt be going against pakistan or UK law in regards to divorce and marriage.
I will be sending my pakistan divorce and my degree absolute
If im wrong can someone please say
Thanks

[TODMATT]

The divorce was obtained legally and as per pakistan law i was free to remarry, It states in black and white,
i have decided to go through with the UK divorce and will explain my situation why my decree absolute is after my second marraige due to them not handing out my actual divorce certificate.
i am also aware of the risk of 2nd marriage done before decree absolute and the our spouse application being refused but for women its impossible to have more than 1 husband ,
I havent and wouldnt be going against pakistan or UK law in regards to divorce and marriage.
I will be sending my pakistan divorce and my degree absolute
If im wrong can someone please say
Thanks

You are threading a part which will even complicate issues for you. You don't trust the current divorce certificate you have so therefore it's hard to comment on how you can proceed. I will be seeking for legal representation in this regard. I agree with you it's a risk but rather I will apply with current divorce certificate provided the certificate it valid under the law where it took place.

[nasa]

Thank you so much for the reply,
My circumstances were and still are very unfortunate.
Let me know my options, Once again,
Thank you x