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Relationship status

Post by jeje22 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:31 pm

Hi I’m on the process to apply for british citizenship filling the online form, however I’m bit confused regarding the question “what is your relationship status?”.
I married about 15 years ago abroad a non-UK citizen, but I’m not living anymore with my husband now nearly 10 years, we are not divorced yet, the procedure is still ongoing. However, I’m living in the UK with my new partner as unmarried partners, we got 3 children together. So I would like to know what should I tick in the application regarding relationship status, either “married”, “separated” or “unmarried partner”? Thank you for helping me on this topic.

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Re: Relationship status

Post by alterhase58 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:21 pm

Reading your scenario it seems all three status descriptions are applicable! I would suggest you choose “separated”. Your prior and current relationships, even with children, have no bearing on your application . If you wish to explain this anyway you can add a covering note. You are applying in your own right.
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Re: Relationship status

Post by jeje22 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:30 pm

Thank you for your reply, do you think on the question “have you previously been married or in a civil partnership?”, i should tick “no”, is that right? Because then it says “date the marriage ended”, it still hasn’t been ended because i’m still not divorced.
Thank you for your help :-)

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Re: Relationship status

Post by AmazonianX » Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:45 am

jeje22 wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:30 pm
Thank you for your reply, do you think on the question “have you previously been married or in a civil partnership?”, i should tick “no”, is that right? Because then it says “date the marriage ended”, it still hasn’t been ended because i’m still not divorced.
Thank you for your help :-)
Would suggest answer yes, input present date as when it ended and give details of the snag of marriage dissolution in additional or cover note.

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Re: Relationship status

Post by jeje22 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:59 am

Great thank you for your advice!

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Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:21 am

Hi I’m on the process to apply for british citizenship, however as I’ve read some informations about EEA citizens wanting to apply for british citizenship, i’m now confused. Here is my story:
I’m French citizen and came to the UK in 2012. I got 3 children born from 2013 so I didn’t work until 2022 to raise and look after my kids. We were relying on my partner’s income and help from family.
In April 2019, I got my settled status under EUSS, and before that I didn’t hold any BRP. Since my kids are now bit bigger, I started work in April 2022.
In gov.uk website, I’ve read that when we got settled status under EUSS, we can apply for citizenship after 12 months of holding this status. So I’ve got now settled status 4 years, do you think I can apply for citizenship now? Do you think it’s gonna be a problem for me to apply because I didn’t work 5 years? I’ve read something about living in the UK lawfully for 5 years to apply for citizenship, so i’m now really confused.
If someone could help me clarify this and tell me if regarding my situation i could apply for citizenship. Thank you everyone for your help! :-)

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by alterhase58 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:47 am

You can apply any time now as you held EUSsS for more than 12 months. BRP not required.
Work is not a requirement for naturalisation. You need to prove residency with official documents such as council tax bills, P60, Benefits communications, etc.
Otherwise it’s the same application for everyone EU or not.
Have you reviewed the AN Guidance?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... n-guidance
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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:59 pm

Thank you for your reply, yes i read the guidance but i saw that when we are not able to prove that we have been living in the UK lawfully for 5 years (that’s means either employed, self employed, student or retired), then we can’t apply for naturalisation, is that right? There is also something about the CSI that bothers me. Can you please advice me thanks :-)

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by alterhase58 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:45 pm

jeje22 wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:59 pm
Thank you for your reply, yes i read the guidance but i saw that when we are not able to prove that we have been living in the UK lawfully for 5 years (that’s means either employed, self employed, student or retired), then we can’t apply for naturalisation, is that right? There is also something about the CSI that bothers me. Can you please advice me thanks :-)
You have been and are living in the UK lawfully, by virtue of you holding EUSS now. That should not be a worry. Many EU citizens in your position apply and have received citizenship.

You are talking about EU/EEA Free Movement Treaty Rights/obligations - they don't exist anymore in the UK, you are now under EUSS which is a UK immigration status. And CSI is definitely no longer required, or would not be asked about if you didn't have it.
I know it's all very stressful and often confusing, but don't overthink this.
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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:58 pm

Thanks for your help, it’s now more clear for me! So you mean that as long as I hold settled status under EUSS for 12 months, whatever I worked or not in the past 11 years I’m in the UK or whatever I was holding PR or not before getting settled status under EUSS, I can apply for citizenship ? Thanks :-)

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by AmazonianX » Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:07 pm

jeje22 wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:58 pm
Thanks for your help, it’s now more clear for me! So you mean that as long as I hold settled status under EUSS for 12 months, whatever I worked or not in the past 11 years I’m in the UK or whatever I was holding PR or not before getting settled status under EUSS, I can apply for citizenship ? Yes Thanks :-)

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:24 pm

Great thanks everyone for your precious help! Also do I have to include a cover letter in my application? If yes, what are the main things I have to include? Thanks :)

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by alterhase58 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:44 pm

jeje22 wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:24 pm
Great thanks everyone for your precious help! Also do I have to include a cover letter in my application? If yes, what are the main things I have to include? Thanks :)
No cover letter required. Caseworkers know what they are looking at. You don’t have to explain yourself.
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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:36 pm

Ok thanks and also are tax credits letters from HMRC accepted as proof of living in the UK in the last 5 years? Thanks

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by alterhase58 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:00 am

There’s no comprehensive list of acceptable documents however HMRC is a government department and communications from them should be acceptable.
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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:23 pm

Thanks for your help, just one thing i need to double check: I’ve been granted settled status in April 2019 so 4 years ago, so to apply for naturalisation i should not wait 5 years after granted settled status? I saw this somewhere online : “That means applicants who did not meet the criteria of being "lawfully resident" under EU rules before being granted pre-settled or settled status, can apply for citizenship 3 or 5 years after being granted pre-settled or settled status, depending on whether they are married to a British spouse or not.” Can you please advice on this thanks

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by alterhase58 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:33 pm

jeje22 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:23 pm
Thanks for your help, just one thing i need to double check: I’ve been granted settled status in April 2019 so 4 years ago, so to apply for naturalisation i should not wait 5 years after granted settled status? I saw this somewhere online : “That means applicants who did not meet the criteria of being "lawfully resident" under EU rules before being granted pre-settled or settled status, can apply for citizenship 3 or 5 years after being granted pre-settled or settled status, depending on whether they are married to a British spouse or not.” Can you please advice on this thanks
I think what your source says is not correct - please only refer to official UKVI guidance/documentation:

the "3 or 5 years" is the period you have to prove lawful residency for naturalisation: 3 years as spouse of British citizen or 5 years otherwise, this doesn't relate to "after being granted settled status", this is working back from the date of the naturalisation application.

If you are still in doubt please share the source.
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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:11 pm

So i have to go back until April 2018 to prove that i was living lawfully in the UK? But from April 2018 until April 2019 I didn’t have any status of Permanent Resident, so you think it’s not gonna be a problem for me? I just got settled status from 2019, so that would mean I’m living in the UK lawfully for 4 years now, from the date i got settled status, but what about the year before? For naturalisation it says i should have live 5 years lawfully in the UK. Can you advice me i’m still confused. Thanks

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by alterhase58 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:47 pm

There's probably a confusion between residency as such and lawful residency specifically.
With your documents (Council Tax, HMRC, P60, ect) you prove that you were actually resident in the UK.
With your status (EUSS) you prove lawful residency - see my highlighting. Hope that makes sense.

Please refer to the section in the guidance on Lawful residency: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... bookmark14

"Lawful Residence
You should have been in the UK lawfully during the 5 years (or 3 years, if applying as the spouse or civil partner of a British citizen), before making your application.

Under The Nationality and Borders Act 2022, you will normally meet this requirement where you have been granted indefinite leave to enter or remain in the UK. This means that, in most cases, you will only need to demonstrate that you hold valid indefinite leave in the UK in order to meet the lawful residence requirement. You will not normally need to provide evidence of your immigration status during the 5- or 3-year period.

If you are an EEA national, supplying evidence of your settled status under the EU Settlement Scheme (EUSS) will also normally meet this requirement. That also means you will not need to send evidence of what you were doing in the UK prior to being granted settled status.

This includes people who did not hold comprehensive sickness insurance under the EEA regulations whilst either a student or a self-sufficient person. You can now meet the lawful residence requirement simply by showing you have been granted settled status under the EUSS. You also no longer need to explain why you did not hold comprehensive sickness insurance."
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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:04 pm

Thanks so much for your explanation, now it’s clear for me, I now understand that as long as I hold settled status for 12 months, I can apply for citizenship. Thanks for your help!

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Sat May 06, 2023 6:40 pm

Hi I filled all my application for naturalisation online, I need to submit it but I’ve got one question: my 3 children and myself got settled status under EUSS, I’m planning to apply for citizenship only myself at the moment and then separately later on this year for my children, so can you confirm that my kids gonna keep their status as settled status under EUSS even if I become a bristish citizen? And also is this possible to apply first only myself for british citizenship and then later on for my children? Thanks dor your help

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by CR001 » Sat May 06, 2023 6:43 pm

Yes to both questions.
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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Sat May 06, 2023 6:52 pm

Great thank you very much! :D

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by jeje22 » Sat May 06, 2023 7:26 pm

Also if you could tell me as well: if my naturalisation application is not successful, will I still retain my settled status under EUSS even if my application for citizenship is rejected? Thanks

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Re: Naturalisation for EEA citizens

Post by AmazonianX » Sat May 06, 2023 7:34 pm

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Sat May 06, 2023 7:26 pm
Also if you could tell me as well: if my naturalisation application is not successful, will I still retain my settled status under EUSS even if my application for citizenship is rejected? Thanks
Yes, your settled status is retained.

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