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ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by lemonbat » Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:40 pm

It was suggested I make a post here about my successful ARD application as it seems not a lot of people on this forum are familiar with it.

The ARD application is relatively new - it was created in 2022 after the Nationality and Borders Act 2022 was passed. That Act amended the 1981 BNA to add section 4L, which allows for people to apply for discretionary registration in cases where "you would have been, or would have been able to become, a British citizen" but for historical legislative unfairness, act or omission of a public authority, or exceptional circumstances. You can read more about the application and its legal basis here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... accessible. At the bottom of the page are case examples that illustrate potentially-successful and likely-to-be-unsuccessful applications.

As you can see, there are a lot of potential ways someone could be eligible for citizenship under this section. One of these, and there have been some questions here alluding to it, is so-called "double descent" for someone who was born in a foreign country to a parent who was a citizen by descent. There of course is no such thing as double descent, it's just a colloquial term for this situation, but it is historically possible for citizens by descent to have been able (or should have been able if not for historical legislative unfairness) to pass on citizenship to kids born abroad. The reason for this is section 5 of the 1948 BNA, which allowed for a male citizen by descent to register their foreign-born child at a consulate within a year of birth and that child would be a citizen by descent too. This was true from 1949 until 1983 (actually I think 1988 because of a grace period for the 1981 BNA, but I'm fuzzy on the details for that). Female citizens could not pass on citizenship in this way. (For people born in the Commonwealth, so not a foreign country, I think things are different and I don't know much about their options.)

Because the UK has worked to rectify gender discrimination in their citizenship laws, people who were affected by this discrimination can now apply to register as citizens now. This means someone born in a foreign country before 1983 (1988?) to a citizen by descent and who had a grandmother that was born in the UK might be eligible to apply as a citizen now.

There are other situations too - look at the guidance document linked above.

I applied using the ARD application on the basis of having a UK-born grandmother, a parent born in a foreign country, and me being born in a foreign country and I was successful. A weird quirk of the ARD application is that it gives citizenship other than by descent, so even though at birth I would have had citizenship by descent, I am now a citizen other than by descent! The application requires you to write a legal justification of why you should be registered. If you use a lawyer, they will do this for you. If you want to apply without a lawyer (I did), you need to familiarize yourself with the relevant legislation. If you are applying on the basis of a British grandmother, you will need to read 1981 BNA sections 4C and 4L, 1948 BNA section 5, and 1971 Immigrant Act section 2 (as-enacted version). Depending on the dates of your family members' births, etc. you might need to consult pre-1948 legislation too - the UK has a useful guide on the various Acts: https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ationality. In my case, I only had to pay the 80 pound ceremony fee and didn't have to pay an application fee. It depends on how you answer question 1.4 on the application.

There is a lot online about ARD/section 4L and there are some law firms that will give you a free assessment and tell you your chances of being successful. And, if you see someone talking about "double descent" and asking if they're eligible, this all is most likely what they are referring to!

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by MandyWithoutTheM » Fri May 03, 2024 9:05 pm

Thank you so much for sharing this! Could you share some more details of your experience - did you apply from within the UK? How long did your process take? When did you hear back from the home office after you submitted your application? Did you receive separate correspondence for payment receipt and biometrics instructions?

Apologies for all the questions, there really just doesn't seem to be much info about this at all or many people who've shared their experiences with this sort of application.

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by alterhase58 » Fri May 03, 2024 10:14 pm

MandyWithoutTheM wrote:
Fri May 03, 2024 9:05 pm
Thank you so much for sharing this! Could you share some more details of your experience - did you apply from within the UK? How long did your process take? When did you hear back from the home office after you submitted your application? Did you receive separate correspondence for payment receipt and biometrics instructions?

Apologies for all the questions, there really just doesn't seem to be much info about this at all or many people who've shared their experiences with this sort of application.
Realistically, I think ARD & 4L are fairly recent additions to all the sections available for a variety of scenarios - unlikely you'll find lots of members here having experience of the process. I may be wrong ...
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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by lemonbat » Sat May 04, 2024 2:07 am

MandyWithoutTheM wrote:
Fri May 03, 2024 9:05 pm
Thank you so much for sharing this! Could you share some more details of your experience - did you apply from within the UK? How long did your process take? When did you hear back from the home office after you submitted your application? Did you receive separate correspondence for payment receipt and biometrics instructions?

Apologies for all the questions, there really just doesn't seem to be much info about this at all or many people who've shared their experiences with this sort of application.
There is a forum on a britishexpats site that has a lot of 4L answers.

Outside the UK, took about 10 months for decision from app submission, and then 2 months for ceremony invite, and 2 more months for ceremony appointment, so just over a year total. Only hear from them when they take payment and invite you to biometrics - nothing else until decision email. That invite took about 1.5 months for me. No correspondence on payment, just email about biometrics on the same day my card was debited. I emailed at 6 months from biometrics and was told the standard 'it's just taking a while,' which took almost a month to get that response, and then a couple weeks later I got my decision. Very opaque process once you submit but just have patience and email at 6 months from biometrics if you don't have a response by then.

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by MandyWithoutTheM » Sat May 04, 2024 8:40 am

lemonbat wrote:
Sat May 04, 2024 2:07 am
MandyWithoutTheM wrote:
Fri May 03, 2024 9:05 pm
Thank you so much for sharing this! Could you share some more details of your experience - did you apply from within the UK? How long did your process take? When did you hear back from the home office after you submitted your application? Did you receive separate correspondence for payment receipt and biometrics instructions?

Apologies for all the questions, there really just doesn't seem to be much info about this at all or many people who've shared their experiences with this sort of application.
There is a forum on a britishexpats site that has a lot of 4L answers.

Outside the UK, took about 10 months for decision from app submission, and then 2 months for ceremony invite, and 2 more months for ceremony appointment, so just over a year total. Only hear from them when they take payment and invite you to biometrics - nothing else until decision email. That invite took about 1.5 months for me. No correspondence on payment, just email about biometrics on the same day my card was debited. I emailed at 6 months from biometrics and was told the standard 'it's just taking a while,' which took almost a month to get that response, and then a couple weeks later I got my decision. Very opaque process once you submit but just have patience and email at 6 months from biometrics if you don't have a response by then.
Thanks so much for this, I've applied from within the UK last month and received a letter from Home Office confirming receipt of my citizenship ceremony fee payment this week (about a week after it was debited). But no news on biometrics yet - I am living in the UK on an ancestral visa and have a biometric residency permit, so wondered if they would use that for my biometric records. Guess I just have to wait to see if I receive a second letter for biometrics now.

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by meeranmo » Fri Jun 07, 2024 12:41 am

hi friend kindly guide me how to apply this under section 4L i need to apply i am in UK only it is onlne application or paper application what is the process for the same

if online application pls sher me the link...

kindly guide me

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by HCJNL » Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:51 am

I'm also wondering if a Section 4L online application is possible. I can't find any reference to one.

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by HCJNL » Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:03 pm

Thank you for feedback by the way, very useful!
You wrote It depends on how you answer question 1.4 on the application. I am a little confused here. If I had been married in 1989 I could have registered my daughter under Section 3(2). If I use form ARD today, because of this historical anomaly, does this mean I have to pay the current Section 3(2) registration fees?

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by qwin » Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:06 am

I have successfully completed my application using form ARD so thought I would give a timeline and a few details.

Eligibility criteria: Form ARD. Maternal grandmother born in the UK
Nationality: South Africa
Applying from: South Africa
Method of application: Post (via a consultant)
Date of application: 9 November 2023
Date supporting documents sent: 9 November 2023
Date of email requesting biometrics: 9 January 2024
Date of biometrics appointment (Port Elizabeth VFS Global): 15 January 2024
Date of approval letter: 21 May 2024
Date of citizenship ceremony: TBD
Date received citizenship certificate: TBD

A couple of things to note during this whole process. Firstly I required vault copies (or original) of both parents as well my maternal grandmother's birth certificates. They need the father's side to ensure that there is no UK connection on the father's side of the family. Also needed both parents and maternal grandparents unabridged marriage certificates. This took a long time to obtain (almost 6 months) and I would recommend using a service in South Africa for this.

The application fee was initially £80 but it later increased to $1,351 (applies to applications lodged from 4 January 2023). I was informed on 6 February 2024. Was a bit of a shock but in the end still worth it. I also used a specialist for this process given it was a pretty new process and it was worth the extra money.

My brother, who lives in the UK, and I both applied together and the timeline was exactly the same however he has already received his invite for his ceremony and will be attending next week. I understand that it takes approximately 2 months to get an invite for a ceremony outside of the UK and I will update when I get my invite.

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by meeranmo » Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:42 am

hi friends kindly guide me it was only paper form or online form also available?

what is the exact fee i am coming under exceptional circumstances

pls guide me ?

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by contorted_svy » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:33 pm

Please open your own thread to ask questions.
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Post by CR001 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:50 pm

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Please open your own thread to ask questions.
OP already has a lengthy topic where advice has been given.

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Post by debssss » Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:28 am

Have you heard back about your application? I submitted in July and still waiting to hear back.
MandyWithoutTheM wrote:
Sat May 04, 2024 8:40 am


Thanks so much for this, I've applied from within the UK last month and received a letter from Home Office confirming receipt of my citizenship ceremony fee payment this week (about a week after it was debited). But no news on biometrics yet - I am living in the UK on an ancestral visa and have a biometric residency permit, so wondered if they would use that for my biometric records. Guess I just have to wait to see if I receive a second letter for biometrics now.

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Re: ARD Application/Section 4L; also "double descent"

Post by lemonbat » Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:28 pm

qwin wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:06 am
I have successfully completed my application using form ARD so thought I would give a timeline and a few details.

Eligibility criteria: Form ARD. Maternal grandmother born in the UK
Nationality: South Africa
Applying from: South Africa
Method of application: Post (via a consultant)
Date of application: 9 November 2023
Date supporting documents sent: 9 November 2023
Date of email requesting biometrics: 9 January 2024
Date of biometrics appointment (Port Elizabeth VFS Global): 15 January 2024
Date of approval letter: 21 May 2024
Date of citizenship ceremony: TBD
Date received citizenship certificate: TBD

A couple of things to note during this whole process. Firstly I required vault copies (or original) of both parents as well my maternal grandmother's birth certificates. They need the father's side to ensure that there is no UK connection on the father's side of the family. Also needed both parents and maternal grandparents unabridged marriage certificates. This took a long time to obtain (almost 6 months) and I would recommend using a service in South Africa for this.

The application fee was initially £80 but it later increased to $1,351 (applies to applications lodged from 4 January 2023). I was informed on 6 February 2024. Was a bit of a shock but in the end still worth it. I also used a specialist for this process given it was a pretty new process and it was worth the extra money.

My brother, who lives in the UK, and I both applied together and the timeline was exactly the same however he has already received his invite for his ceremony and will be attending next week. I understand that it takes approximately 2 months to get an invite for a ceremony outside of the UK and I will update when I get my invite.
Hi - curious about you having to pay an increased fee. How did you answer question 1.4? You mention the increase applies for apps since 4 Jan 2023 - did the HO tell you this? I know a person who applied via ARD with the same situation - British grandmother born in UK, in January 2024 and they only paid the ceremony fee for their application, which was successful. They used a solicitor to make their application. I kind of feel like the fee is being determined randomly based on the caseworker - I have seen some people on other forums saying they had to pay and increased fee, and others do not.

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