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duffy1867
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FAQ Foreign Birth Registration

Post by duffy1867 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:20 pm

Hi Folks,

I noticed over the years that the same questions tend to come up fairly often in the main FBR Thread - due to the nature of the chat, tips often get lost, so I thought this was a good place to share - please feel free to add your own Q&A/Tips - but avoid dates as the other thread does that already.

In terms of the Application form - people often ask for an example of what it looks like - when you complete the online registration, the form becomes downloadable for you, and is populated with the information you have provided. It contains sections, A, B, C, D, E... this is for a 'grandchild' of an Irish born Citizen and Child of Irish Citizen Parent (applies even if the parent has never registered) -

Technically you don't need the certificates in hand to complete the form, however it's useful to have them as you might not know the detail - some people complete this form and then take many years to gather the documents...

The information you need for Part A - Applicant
Full name as on birth certificate
Country of birth
Place of birth
Date of birth
Status (Single etc)
Gender
Mother's birth surname

Part B - Irish Citizen Parent
Full name as on birth certificate
Country of birth
Place of birth
Date of birth
Status
Gender
Mother's birth surname
Citizenship category of parent: Born abroad to a parent born in Ireland

Full name as on birth certificate - Details of grandparent born in Ireland
Country of birth
Place of birth
Date of birth
Status
Gender
Mother's birth surname

The witness then signs the same form and documents etc

List of Acceptable Witnesses
Garda Síochána/ Police Officer
School Principal/ Vice Principal/ Teacher/ School Secretary/ Pre-school Manager/ Montessori
Teacher/ Lecturer
Member of Clergy
Medical Doctor
Nurse
Physiotherapist
Speech Therapist
Pharmacist
Dentist
Lawyer
Notary Public/ Commissioner for Oaths
Peace Commissioner
Bank Manager/ Assistant Bank Manager or Credit Union Manager or Assistant Manager
Accountant
Elected Public Representative
Veterinary surgeon
Chartered Engineer

They can provide a business card or/and stamp
General Advice

1. Gather all the document before completing the application form (don't bother asking family for them as it'll take longer than just ordering them). 'Copies' from the Government are ALL originals, they are ALL certified copies, even the 'originals'

2. Complete the application form fully yourself and then ask someone to check it all - print the criteria and ask them to confirm that you have included everything - don’t go through it with them, let them do it alone, see if it’s all included and clear.

3. Use your personal email address, not a work one! Same for phone number.

4. Send all the documents, even if you aren’t sure its needed - i.e. marriage certificate (even if its complicated and you’ve been divorced and re-married etc), at worst they will ignore it, at best they won’t need to ask you for it (explain in a cover letter).

5. Put your application documents into plastic wallets - put a sticker on the plastic wallet explaining what each document is, i.e. applicant birth certificate (doc 1 of XX), applicant marriage certificate (doc 2 of XX), parent birth certificate (doc 3 of XX), grandparent birth certificate (doc 4 of XX).

6. Send a cover letter with your phone number and an overview of all the documents and what they are - I.e. put their list of required docs on a piece of paper and link this to your numbering system. i.e. a Cover Letter saying Applicants Birth Certificate, document 1 (first plastic wallet), passport copy document 2.

7. Photocopy your entire application once you’ve sent it - I checked mine a few times while waiting, mainly to check it was 100% correct.

8. Make sure you use the same witness for everything - stamp not needed but a business card is accepted no problem. I asked them to use the words - certified to be a true copy of the original seen by me; followed by name, job, date and signature for all documents.

9. Photos: I had no problems with photos, and spent extra to go to a professional photo place who has the Irish passport requirements in their system (Max Spielmann in the UK). They are more fussy with passport photos than FBR photos.

10. GB/NI applicants - as soon as you are approved for FBR entry - ask the NHS for a postal ‘reminder’ of your NHS number - you’ll need this as a government letter for proof of address or name - you’ll also need another original letter, ideally from the tax office or similar.

11. Keep an eye on Kildare Street by searching for ‘FBR’ - its the best source for real time updates about processing times, direct from the minister of the day.

12. The postal address becomes clear once the form is complete (it’s the same address for most countries).

13. Finally… forget all about your application once you have sent it - if you succeed in doing this, let me know how
Best of Luck to everyone still applying or gathering documents

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Re: FAQ Foreign Birth Registration

Post by meself2 » Tue Jun 04, 2024 7:39 am

As this intends to be a FAQ, I'll pin it - @duffy1867, send me a DM if that's not what you wanted.
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Re: FAQ Foreign Birth Registration

Post by markbeama » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:38 pm

Thanks Duffy
I'm new to this site and just came across your post, everything I needed to know about FBR applications in one place and easy to understand
Thanks again
Mark

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Re: FAQ Foreign Birth Registration

Post by draevi » Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:17 am

Hi Duffy,

Super helpful thank you so much. Can I ask what might be a daft question? Do we need any documents for our parent. I am applying for foreign birth through my grandmother she is Irish. I have pretty much all the documents nearly. My question is take it we do not need documents for our parent? My parent has not applied for anything and has a British passport.

Kind regards,
Evie

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Re: FAQ Foreign Birth Registration

Post by duffy1867 » Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:12 pm

draevi wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:17 am
Hi Duffy,

Super helpful thank you so much. Can I ask what might be a daft question? Do we need any documents for our parent. I am applying for foreign birth through my grandmother she is Irish. I have pretty much all the documents nearly. My question is take it we do not need documents for our parent? My parent has not applied for anything and has a British passport.

Kind regards,
Evie
Hi Evie

The reason you need documents about your parents is to link 'you' to 'your' grandparents - we only have a claim for Citizenship based on our grandparents (in your case as above) so they need to be certain everyone is who they say they are. There is nothing on your documents that says who your grandparents are, these would normally be on your parents documents.

The paperwork should demonstrate that your parent is your parent, and your parent is your grandparents child. The remaining documents (i.e. everyones death, marriage etc serve to validate the other documents, i.e. ages DOB etc)

You need all the documents as detailed above in relation to your parent.

I agree it can feel a bit confusing when your parent is not an Irish Citizen, however under Irish law your parent is an Irish Citizen, even if they have never claimed it.

Also, finally, when you are completing the FBR form online, make sure to select the option for 'how did your PARENT' acquire citizenship, this catches a lot of people out :D

Good Luck to you

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Re: FAQ Foreign Birth Registration

Post by duffy1867 » Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:52 pm

Further advice from one of the experts around here @jgclancy

There is some especially good advice for US Applicants, but much of the advice will help everyone

Copied from the main FBR Tread with their permission :D :arrow:
I have directly helped about 50 people with their paperwork for applying to get on the Irish Foreign Birth Registration through descent from grandparents. Many others with advice online.

My advice always tells people that "More is Better" and notarize everything they can. Why? It keeps them from requesting more documents & stops them from rejecting documents and/or witnesses. Once a document is notarized it is considered a government document. They are less likely to question such a document and if they do then they are basically saying you have committed a crime. Something they'd rather not do.

So here are a few bits of advice to make sure everything you do gets approved the first time. The people I have helped directly have never had a witness rejection or follow up for additional documents. All went through on the first pass with no questions or requests. Be thorough & go the extra mile.

For FBR just make sure you have a good, VALID witness. A garda/police officer is the best it seems to me. Any witness will do from the list. Make sure to add any extra proof that the witness is qualified. I once used an accountant. He included a letter explaining his qualifications, how he knew the applicant & that he was not related to the applicant. On top of that I had him include a copy of his college accountancy degree. Not needed but---> More is Better

Photographs----4 EU sized photographs - 2 are signed, dated, stamped (if no stamp use card or letter headed sheet with brief statement) by a VALID witness. Also, add the application number (it's says that in Section E on the application itself).

2 Proofs of address- again--More is Better--send 3 if you can. Get them notarized if you can. Notarized is better. Write application number on them.

Your ID & parents ID (if not deceased) - make nice color copies. Add certifying statement by witness(es). Have VALID witness(es) sign & date. Again---get them notarized , if possible. A different witness than the applicants can certify their ID since they might live far away.

Birth, marriage & death certificates. All need to be LONG FORM issued by the government. NO PHOTOCOPIES.
Only government issued are considered "originals" .

If there is any slight discrepancy in a name or a date include an explanatory letter. And yep--get it notarized if you can. They are used to variances in dates and /or names. One applicants grandfather who had come to USA finally returned to Ireland and found out he was 2 years older than he thought & had been listing on all his documents.

Yes--you have to send your, your parents & your grandparents marriage certificates. If applicable simply means If married. They use marriage to connect you to your parents along with the birth certificate.
Yes, some people have had FBR approved without one but many more get asked to provide it and then it's another 3-9 months until approval.

Also, if there is a divorce and remarriage they may ask for those certificates too. Include anything you can! My mother remarried and then passed away. Her death certificate had her 2nd marriage surname. So yes, I included proof of her 2nd marriage as well to prove her name change.

Application number on OUTSIDE of SHIPPING package. Write it big on both sides Application Number 00000*****

Make a copy of everything you send. Everything.

Make sure you have a third person (not any witness or applicant--a different individual) go through the checklist to be sure nothing is overlooked. I am NEVER the last person to check that the applicant has included everything.

When you send the packet make sure it has a tracking number no matter which carrier you choose.

I put everything in different manila envelopes.
One with grandparents BMD documents - outside has grandparents name / the application number & lists all documents
One with parents BMD documents. -outside has parent name / the application number and lists al documents
One with applicants BMD documents/ photographs in small envelope /each proof of address / application -list all on outside

Other documents. I have occasionally added are copies of Irish Censuses ( all 4 pages not just the Household page) if grandparent is on it. Not needed but---More is Better . I once added a Scottish Census because the grandparents had married in Ireland but moved to Scotland. Daughter was born just afterwards in Scotland. Her Scottish birth record mentioned her parents marriage in Ireland as well. The census helped tie the whole storyline together,
And yes---I had the applicant get it notarized with a declarative statement that it was a true copy.

A copy of a baptismal certificate can be included. Not needed but adds to truth of birth certificate.

A newspaper clipping of a BMD can be included. Not needed but ..you know....More is Better

Hope this helps - be thorough, include ALL certificates & documents from the checklist.

Remember, they are trying to be sure the applicant is who they say they are & that they can prove lineage to the grandparent born in Ireland.

The people processing your FBR are varied with different levels of experience. Anything that helps them decide your application is legitimate & correct
will facilitate a positive decision.

Technically, nothing needs to be notarized. They ask for a witness to just certify things. I can't tell you how many people get witnesses & documents rejected but it is not uncommon.
I get things notarized whenever I can which seems to be better in my never so humble opinion. If you don't that's okay too. In USA getting things notarized is rather easy.

Also, the term "personally known" for the witness does not mean they have to be your friend or any time period. They just have to believe you are who you say you are.

Sometimes a notary says they won't notarize an ID. Explain to them they are not notarizing the ID but that they are notarizing the statement the witness adds. Not the ID itself. Again, notarizing is not necessary. Just the Valid witness certifying is what they ask you to provide.

Good Luck---jgclancy

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