Spousal Declaration Doubt

[Leo99]

Apparently there was a post clarifying this.

viewtopic.php?p=2105492#p2105492

But ChatGPT says this is incorrect and says spouse must have held it for 3 years.

The source for gpt is the guidelines from the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 1956, as amended, and the procedures followed by the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS). Specifically:The requirement that your spouse must have held Irish citizenship for three years before you can apply is outlined in the regulations for citizenship through marriage or civil partnership

I know @meself have quoted me giving the link to this post by Ramires. But I think this info is wrong. Has anyone applied right after their spouse got citizenship?

[ackk]

Apparently there was a post clarifying this.

viewtopic.php?p=2105492#p2105492

But ChatGPT says this is incorrect and says spouse must have held it for 3 years.

The source for gpt is the guidelines from the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 1956, as amended, and the procedures followed by the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS). Specifically:The requirement that your spouse must have held Irish citizenship for three years before you can apply is outlined in the regulations for citizenship through marriage or civil partnership

I know @meself have quoted me giving the link to this post by Ramires. But I think this info is wrong. Has anyone applied right after their spouse got citizenship?

Don't understand what the question is and why would anyone do this?

[Leo99]

Apparently there was a post clarifying this.

viewtopic.php?p=2105492#p2105492

But ChatGPT says this is incorrect and says spouse must have held it for 3 years.

The source for gpt is the guidelines from the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 1956, as amended, and the procedures followed by the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS). Specifically:The requirement that your spouse must have held Irish citizenship for three years before you can apply is outlined in the regulations for citizenship through marriage or civil partnership

I know @meself have quoted me giving the link to this post by Ramires. But I think this info is wrong. Has anyone applied right after their spouse got citizenship?

Don't understand what the question is and why would anyone do this?

The question is simple. Can I as a spouse of recently naturalised citizen (June 2024) apply for citizenship now ?

[Angel99]

I think what @Meself2 posted is right. You should know you were married before he became an Irish citizen. I believe years before he became an Irish citizen doesn't count.

The rule is you have to be married to an Irish citizen for 3 years to be able to apply for naturalisation. Take note naturalisation process can even take 2 years or more.


If you are in doubt or other sources confirm you can, go ahead and apply for naturalisation. There is nothing wrong in trying.

[Leo99]

I think what @Meself2 posted is right. You should know you were married before he became an Irish citizen. I believe years before he became an Irish citizen doesn't count.

The rule is you have to be married to an Irish citizen for 3 years to be able to apply for naturalisation. Take note naturalisation process can even take 2 years or more.


If you are in doubt or other sources confirm you can, go ahead and apply for naturalisation. There is nothing wrong in trying.

If I understand correctly what Ramires posted and meself posted are same, they both said it will count. But I think it won't count. Am not sure if anyone else in same scenario has applied, so that I can go ahead and apply. I know Ramires posted screenshot from citizenship department email confirming it's okay. But am still not sure tbh. I have emailed citizenship department. Will see what they says.

[Angel99]

In the right way it shouldn't count since he wasn't an Irish citizen before you were married.

Seek clarification with the department and as I said there's nothing wrong in trying.

[crisfp93]

Guys, I can give you my own example: my wife became an Irish citizen on June 19th 2023 and I applied on the basis of an Irish spouse on August 14th 2023. The department is clear that the spouse MUST be an Irish citizen at the the time of application, and you have to be married to this citizen regardless of how long he/she held that citizenship (Irish) for.

In other words, if your spouse became an Irish citizen, and you have lived in Ireland for 3 years and are married for 3 years or more, you can go ahead and apply for citizenship.

To conclude, as outlined in the first paragraph, I attended the June 10th 2024 ceremony in Killarney and everything went well! Wish you good luck

[Leo99]

Guys, I can give you my own example: my wife became an Irish citizen on June 19th 2023 and I applied on the basis of an Irish spouse on August 14th 2023. The department is clear that the spouse MUST be an Irish citizen at the the time of application, and you have to be married to this citizen regardless of how long he/she held that citizenship (Irish) for.

In other words, if your spouse became an Irish citizen, and you have lived in Ireland for 3 years and are married for 3 years or more, you can go ahead and apply for citizenship.

To conclude, as outlined in the first paragraph, I attended the June 10th 2024 ceremony in Killarney and everything went well! Wish you good luck

Thanks for confirming. Really appreciate it. Now I can go ahead and apply peacefully. Thanks a mill crisfp93.

[Leo99]

@crisfp93 can you please let me know the documents you submitted, is it 3 months prior to the application or whole 3 years is needed?

[crisfp93]

@crisfp93 can you please let me know the documents you submitted, is it 3 months prior to the application or whole 3 years is needed?

When I applied last year, I submitted proofs for 2020, 2021, 2022, and for 2023 I submitted proofs 3 months prior to the application as per guideline then.

[Leo99]

@crisfp93 can you please let me know the documents you submitted, is it 3 months prior to the application or whole 3 years is needed?

When I applied last year, I submitted proofs for 2020, 2021, 2022, and for 2023 I submitted proofs 3 months prior to the application as per guideline then.

thanks, every single month of past 3 years is needed?

[crisfp93]

@crisfp93 can you please let me know the documents you submitted, is it 3 months prior to the application or whole 3 years is needed?

When I applied last year, I submitted proofs for 2020, 2021, 2022, and for 2023 I submitted proofs 3 months prior to the application as per guideline then.

thanks, every single month of past 3 years is needed?

I remember I submitted at least 3 consecutive months for each year, example below:
- Type A: Employment detail summary of 2020
- Type B: Utility Bills (August 2020-November 2020)

Example 2:
-Type A: Employment detail summary of 2021
-Type B: bank statements (March 2021- June 2021)

If you use your employment detail summary as a proof for type A, it is already a strong proof that you were in the country working and I remember you needed to have 150 points per year, you might wanna double check as it is online now and this might have changed.

Good luck with your application and hope it goes fast!

[Leo99]

@crisfp93 can you please let me know the documents you submitted, is it 3 months prior to the application or whole 3 years is needed?

When I applied last year, I submitted proofs for 2020, 2021, 2022, and for 2023 I submitted proofs 3 months prior to the application as per guideline then.

thanks, every single month of past 3 years is needed?

I remember I submitted at least 3 consecutive months for each year, example below:
- Type A: Employment detail summary of 2020
- Type B: Utility Bills (August 2020-November 2020)

Example 2:
-Type A: Employment detail summary of 2021
-Type B: bank statements (March 2021- June 2021)

If you use your employment detail summary as a proof for type A, it is already a strong proof that you were in the country working and I remember you needed to have 150 points per year, you might wanna double check as it is online now and this might have changed.

Good luck with your application and hope it goes fast!

Thank you so much for the help. Really appreciate it.

[Leo99]

Hi guys,

I have a doubt wrt filling spousal declaration, my wife is the one filling it. She have her naturalisation certificate, but on the spousal declaration, there's no option to give it. It's either passport which I assume is Irish passport and national identity card. Can anyone please let me know where naturalisation cert number can be given, or any other doc if not naturalisation cert number.

[Leo99]

@crisfp93 can you please let me know the documents you submitted, is it 3 months prior to the application or whole 3 years is needed?

When I applied last year, I submitted proofs for 2020, 2021, 2022, and for 2023 I submitted proofs 3 months prior to the application as per guideline then.

thanks, every single month of past 3 years is needed?

I remember I submitted at least 3 consecutive months for each year, example below:
- Type A: Employment detail summary of 2020
- Type B: Utility Bills (August 2020-November 2020)

Example 2:
-Type A: Employment detail summary of 2021
-Type B: bank statements (March 2021- June 2021)

If you use your employment detail summary as a proof for type A, it is already a strong proof that you were in the country working and I remember you needed to have 150 points per year, you might wanna double check as it is online now and this might have changed.

Good luck with your application and hope it goes fast!

@crisfp93 another doubt - did you submit application before your spouse got the passport? If yes can you please let me know how did you fill spousal declaration, was it without giving spouse passport number?

[Leo99]

Hi guys,

I have a doubt wrt filling spousal declaration, my wife is the one filling it. She have her naturalisation certificate, but on the spousal declaration, there's no option to give it. It's either passport which I assume is Irish passport and national identity card. Can anyone please let me know where naturalisation cert number can be given, or any other doc if not naturalisation cert number?

[meself2]

Can you even give a naturalization cert number?

I'd be leaning towards waiting for your passport; you can try to put in a nautralization cert number and attach a copy, but is it worth risking it?

It might be the same situation like you have after naturalization - while legally you can do that (apply as a spouse of Irish citizen), documentation supporting that is lacking.

[Leo99]

Can you even give a naturalization cert number?

I'd be leaning towards waiting for your passport; you can try to put in a nautralization cert number and attach a copy, but is it worth risking it?

It might be the same situation like you have after naturalization - while legally you can do that (apply as a spouse of Irish citizen), documentation supporting that is lacking.

Thank meself2. Yep, I am now leaning towards waiting for her passport to come, because I don't want to risk it, but I want to see if anyone else have successfully did it before getting the passport and just using naturalisation cert.

[crisfp93]

Can you even give a naturalization cert number?

I'd be leaning towards waiting for your passport; you can try to put in a nautralization cert number and attach a copy, but is it worth risking it?

It might be the same situation like you have after naturalization - while legally you can do that (apply as a spouse of Irish citizen), documentation supporting that is lacking.

Thank meself2. Yep, I am now leaning towards waiting for her passport to come, because I don't want to risk it, but I want to see if anyone else have successfully did it before getting the passport and just using naturalisation cert.

I waited for her passport to be issued to apply as there is a required field there, you know yourself when you leave blank fields they might come back with queries.

[Leo99]

Can you even give a naturalization cert number?

I'd be leaning towards waiting for your passport; you can try to put in a nautralization cert number and attach a copy, but is it worth risking it?

It might be the same situation like you have after naturalization - while legally you can do that (apply as a spouse of Irish citizen), documentation supporting that is lacking.

Thank meself2. Yep, I am now leaning towards waiting for her passport to come, because I don't want to risk it, but I want to see if anyone else have successfully did it before getting the passport and just using naturalisation cert.

I waited for her passport to be issued to apply as there is a required field there, you know yourself when you leave blank fields they might come back with queries.

Thanks again. So that's clarified. This is some great information to someone who are trying to apply with just naturalisation cert