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[Frontier Mole]

To be fair I do not think anyone can honestly stand up and say the current international student system is robust or meets the needs of the UKBA. I posted a who's who's in another thread. It clearly points to the failures in the past and lack of control or care. UKBA is far from blameless however there is a huge gulf from saying the system was not well policed to blaming the system for the criminality of those who knowing abused the weaknesses.

Remember the students who purchased fake qualifications knew what they were buying. They also knew why they were buying the qualifications and that the benefits they hoped to gain outweighed the initial cost and perceived low risk of being discovered.

That is why CCL "students" are so angry. They were suckered by the bogus college into believing that they would not get caught, a couple of thousand pounds was a small cost to be able to work for two years in the UK. Then to get turned over by UKBA and a BBC expose thrown in it is all too much to take. It feels as everyone is laughing at them, taunted for being stupid enough to think they would get a way with it, getting caught so quickly, paying £2000 for a bit of now worthless paper, it all adds up to them feeling they were let down by everyone but themselves.

With tier 4 coming into force this year, the system will become stronger and leave less room for abuse. No matter what there will always be attacks on the system.

I discussed a glaring hole in the PBS system only this week and how it could be tackled. If the gamekeeper can spot the hole I am sure the poacher was already planning how to exploit it!

I believe UKBA is serious about rooting out the bogus colleges and has a far better chance with the increase in resources to check and licence the establishments. By default the refusal of a student tier 4 licence effectively closes the college.

Student tracking is now mandatory, which is a great leap forward. No more up and off to the next establishment with UKBA being left in the dark. No more "I will be going to X Uni" only to enter the UK to immediately go to Y establishment.

Give it time to work and see where we are in 2011.

[PaperPusher]

All I can seriously suggest is that the colleges you work in need to change their application and sifting methods. The college picked the students and offered the courses to them, and the visa was probably issued on the basis of that offer of a place in a college (along with the other requirements). Also perhaps change the agents abroad if they use them.

There is still no requirement for the student to tell a college when they leave.

Does it allow the student to stay without study for 7 weeks during term time where his roommate has notified us that he's not studying anywhere and working in an indian resturant for full time. In a semester if a student is absent for 7 weeks how come he will satisfy the attendance requirement of UKBA? Please remember we surely knew that he was not enrolled or attending any other colleges at that time. I assume that the main reason of his absence was overdue of tuition fees and his intension to work full time.

You know it doesn't allow the student to stay. You know I know it doesn't.

I suggest you read some AIT cases to see some Judges' views on attendence. They do not seem to take that dim a view of missing a semester in many cases. Maybe the student could not get enrolled in another college in that semester.

In a semester if a student is absent for 7 weeks how come he will satisfy the attendance requirement of UKBA?

You tell me, try playing devil's advocate. I did not say the student would satisfy the attendence requirement, I said there is no requirement as far as UKBA are concerned for the student to tell the college they are leaving.

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[Shan77]

Thanks for your suggestions. I also hope and believe that only the genuine colleges will survive in future. I wish UKBA would have done this 5 years ago!

[salam123]

Thanks for your suggestions. I also hope and believe that only the genuine colleges will survive in future. I wish UKBA would have done this 5 years ago!

they needed people t0 work for them...............otherwise how come they often after for holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shan77]

Recruitment standard and Quality assurance should be the priorities for all the instituions.