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ILR - Travlled outside UK

Post by ashak » Sat Sep 28, 2024 12:30 am

Hello Gurus,

I need urgent help on my wife's ILR. She currently have visa till Aug 2025. She applied for ILR in April 2024 (completed 10 years)and then she travelled to outside UK from June till date. She planned to come back in November.

The question is will the travel affect her under processing application ? if it is when she can apply for ILR considering she spending almost 5 months outside UK.

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Re: ILR - Travlled outside UK

Post by zimba » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:06 am

An applicant should NOT travel outside the UK after submitting their application online or else the application will be considered automatically withdrawn (as per paragraph 34K of the UK immigration rules)

Recent case: viewtopic.php?t=347791

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Set lr refused

Post by ashak » Thu Dec 19, 2024 5:55 pm

After waiting for a long time. I got the news from my MP that that applicaion was refused in June and the refusal was sent to the same email address but it was never received. I checked the mailbox throughly but no email from UKVI.

Is the a way to get the refusal letter ? or view the desicion online?

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Re: Set lr refused

Post by razergd1 » Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:07 pm

Apply for SAR and request the refusal letter. If you list what types of leaves she had and dates maybe it can give a hint but from your story I guess her application was withdrawn due to her leaving the country.
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Re: Set lr refused

Post by ashak » Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:23 pm

She came in this country in April 2014 as my dependent, I was on Tier1 General which was refused in 2015 and the appeal after appeal HomeOffice withdrawn their desicion in 2019 and granted me ILR in 2010 and discreetionary Leave to my wife which is extenable. In 2024 she completed her 10 years and she applied for ILR in April 2024 but travelled abroad on 23 June believing that HomeOffice returned the passport and she still have valid visa till Aug 2025 so she can travel.

As per HomeOffice they refused the application on 26 June 2024. As we did not received any update from April till last month we reached out to the local MP for an update and we came to know that her application was refused and we were totally unaware as we never got any update/refusal.

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Re: Set lr refused

Post by secret.simon » Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:35 am

ashak wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:23 pm
travelled abroad on 23 June
ashak wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:23 pm
As per HomeOffice they refused the application on 26 June 2024.
They almost certainly refused the application as a direct result of her travel outside the UK, which automatically cancels the application. Because it is a applicant-initiated (by the applicant leaving the UK) cancellation of a valid application, there won't be a refund.

She can of course return to the UK, as she still has extant leave, reapply (if she still meets the absence and other requirements) and stay put in the UK while the application is being processed.

Please add the text of the refusal letter, taking out all personally identifiable information, to this thread when you get it.
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Out of UK ILR new rules

Post by ashak » Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:02 am

Hello Gurus,

I have a confusion regsrding out of UK days. How it is calculated. This is for my wife who was out of UK recently for longer time.

let me explain:

Her 10 year clock starts in Jan 2020. She was out side UK max 40 days each year till 2023 and in 2024 she went abroad for 23rd June 2024 - 09 Nov 2024. As far as I know the new rules says you cannot be out of UK more than 180 days in any 12 months. Are these 12 months starts from April to April ?

She is planning to go abroad for 90 day in July 2025 will this be possible? or will this affect her continous residence in UK ?

Kindly shed some light on it.

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Re: Out of UK ILR new rules

Post by contorted_svy » Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:07 am

180 days in any 12 month period, not April to April - see guidance here https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ce__1_.pdf

If she left in July 2025 for 90 days she would cross that threshold. The trip needs to be shorter or she has to postpone it.
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Re: Out of UK ILR new rules

Post by zimba » Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:39 am

ashak wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:02 am
Hello Gurus,

I have a confusion regsrding out of UK days. How it is calculated. This is for my wife who was out of UK recently for longer time.

let me explain:

Her 10 year clock starts in Jan 2020. She was out side UK max 40 days each year till 2023 and in 2024 she went abroad for 23rd June 2024 - 09 Nov 2024. As far as I know the new rules says you cannot be out of UK more than 180 days in any 12 months. Are these 12 months starts from April to April ?

She is planning to go abroad for 90 day in July 2025 will this be possible? or will this affect her continous residence in UK ?

Kindly shed some light on it.

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Ashak
Which new rules ??
The 12 months are any continuous 12 months anywhere in your qualifying period. There is no specific starting point at all. Are you asking about this because she needs to apply again under the long residence ?
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Re: Out of UK ILR new rules

Post by secret.simon » Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:26 pm

ashak wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:02 am
in 2024 she went abroad for 23rd June 2024 - 09 Nov 2024.
That's 139 days out of the max 180 days absence.

She could go for a maximum of 41 days between now and mid-June 2025.Obviously keep in mind that global or personal events may cause her to be unable to return, which can mess up her timeline.

After July 2025, she can go for a maximum of 180 days between July 2025 and July 2026.

Keep in mind that naturalisation had a separate set of absence requirements (depending on whether the applicant's spouse is a British citizen or not) and that even after getting ILR, she may be unable to naturalise due to excessive absences from the UK.

If your goal is naturalisation, keeping your absences under control and to an absolute minimum may be a good idea.
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Re: Out of UK ILR new rules

Post by ashak » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:27 am

Hi Gurus,

let me explain the whole stort as I got the refusal copy of her ILR LR.

Immigration History
On 5 April 2014 you entered the UK with leave to enter as a
Tier 1 partner valid until 30 July 2014.On 5 July 2014 you submitted an in time application for leave
to remain as a Tier 1 dependent partner. On 27 April 2015 your application was refused. On 13 May 2015 you lodged an in time appeal. On 14 June 2015 the appeal was dismissed at first tier. On 12 February 2016 your permission to appeal to first tier was refused and on 17 March 2016 your permission to
appeal to the upper tier was also refused. On 17 March 2016 your appeal rights exhausted.
On 21 June 2016 you submitted an out of time application for leave to remain under the family and private life route. On 26 February 2018 your application was refused with an out of country right of appeal. On 6 March 2018 you lodged an in time appeal in which the outcome of your application was reconsidered. On 23 May 2018 we refused your application with an in country right of appeal. On 26 October 2018 you
submitted an out of time appeal and the outcome of your application was reconsidered. On 16 January 2020 you were granted leave to remain under the family and private life route valid until 16 July 2022.
On 12 July 2022 you submitted an in time application for leave to remain under the family and private life route. On 23 February 2023 you were granted leave to remain valid until 27 August 2025.On 8 April 2024 you submitted an in time application for Indefinite Leave to Remain on the basis of 10 years long
residency.

Reasons you do not qualify for a grant of indefinite leave to remain
On 8 April 2024 you made an application for indefinite leave to remain on the basis of meeting the requirements of paragraph 276B of the Immigration Rules and on the basis of your family and private life in the United Kingdom under the Immigration Rules.Your application has been considered under the Immigration Rules, including the partner and private life rules and the basis of exceptional circumstances, which can be viewed on gov.uk at the following address:
www.gov.uk/government/collections/immigration-rules

Your application has been considered on the basis of your long residence under Paragraph 276B of the Immigration Rules.

Paragraph 276B
276B. The requirements to be met by an applicant for indefinite leave to remain on the ground of long residence in
the United Kingdom are that:
(i) (a) he has had at least 10 years continuous lawful residence
in the United Kingdom.
(ii) having regard to the public interest there are no reasons
why it would be undesirable for him to be given indefinite
leave to remain on the ground of long residence, taking into
account his:
(a) age; and
(b) strength of connections in the United Kingdom; and
(c) personal history, including character, conduct, associations
and employment record; and
(d) domestic circumstances; and
(e) compassionate circumstances; and
(f) any representations received on the person’s behalf; and
(iii) the applicant does not fall for refusal under the general
grounds for refusal.
(iv) the applicant has demonstrated sufficient knowledge of the English language and sufficient knowledge about life in the United Kingdom, in accordance with Appendix KoLL.
(v) the applicant must not be in the UK in breach of immigration laws, except that, where paragraph 39E of these Rules applies, any current period of overstaying will be disregarded. Any previous period of overstaying between periods of leave will also be disregarded where –
(a) the previous application was made before 24 November 2016 and within 28 days of the expiry of leave; or
(b) the further application was made on or after 24 November 2016 and paragraph 39E of these Rules applied.

276A. For the purposes of paragraphs
276B to 276D

(a) “continuous residence” means residence in the United Kingdom for an unbroken period, and for these purposes a period shall not be considered to have been broken where an applicant is absent from the United Kingdom for a period of 6 months or less at any one time, provided that the applicant in
question has existing limited leave to enter or remain upon their departure and return, but shall be considered to have been broken if the applicant:
(i) has been removed under Schedule 2 of the 1971 Act, section 10 of the 1999 Act, has been deported or has left the United Kingdom having been refused leave to enter or remain here; or
(ii) has left the United Kingdom and, on doing so, evidenced a clear intention not to return; or
(iii) left the United Kingdom in circumstances in which he could have had no reasonable expectation at the time of leaving that he would lawfully be able to return; or
(iv) has been convicted of an offence and was sentenced to a period of imprisonment or was directed to be detained in an institution other than a prison (including, in particular, a hospital or an institution for young offenders), provided that the sentence in question was not a suspended sentence; or
(v) has spent a total of more than 18 months absent from the United Kingdom during the period in question.
(b) “lawful residence” means residence which is continuous residence pursuant to:
(i) existing leave to enter or remain, except this cannot include
time with entry clearance or permission under Appendix V:
Visitor, Appendix Short-term Student (English language), or
Appendix Temporary work – Seasonal Worker; or
(ii) an exemption from immigration control, including where an exemption ceases to apply if it is immediately followed by a grant of leave to enter or remain.
(c) “lawful residence” does not include time spent on immigration bail (including time spent with temporary admission and temporary release)

Section 3c
The purpose of section 3C leave is to prevent a person who makes an in-time application to extend their leave from becoming an overstayer while they are awaiting a decision on that application and while any appeal or administrative review they are entitled to is pending. Home Office Published guidance on Leave extended by section

3c states:
When section 3C applies

This section explains when a person’s leave is extended by
section 3C of the Immigration Act 1971. Pending decision on
application
A person will have section 3C leave if:
• they have limited leave to enter or remain in the UK
• they apply to the Secretary of State for variation of that leave
• the application for variation is made before the leave expires
• the leave expires without the application for variation having
been decided
• the application for variation is neither decided nor
withdrawn
Consequently, where an application is submitted or attempted to be submitted after the expiry of a period of lawful leave, it is deemed to be “out of time” and does not engage section 3C.

Consideration
Consideration has been given to your immigration history listed above and all evidence submitted along with your application dated 8 April 2024. We are satisfied that you have held lawful leave from your
entry into the UK on 5 April 2014 until 17 March 2016 when your appeal rights exhausted this being a period of 1 year, 11 months and 12 days and from 16 January 2020 when you were granted leave to remain under the family and private life route until date of consideration this being a period of 4 years, 5 months and 10 days.

We are not satisfied that you have held continuous residence in the UK as described in paragraph 27B(i)(a) as you have a break in lawful leave from 17 March 2016 when your appeal rights exhausted until 16 January 2020 when you were granted leave to remain under the family and private life route. It is considered that your lawful leave has been broken at this point.

For the reasons outlined above, your application for indefinite leave to remain on the grounds of long residence is refused as you have failed to meet the requirements of the Immigration Rules under Paragraph 276D with reference to Paragraphs 276B(i)(a) of the Immigration Rules.

A consideration has been given to whether your circumstances are exceptional or significantly compelling to warrant discretion being exercised in your favour to grant you settlement on an exceptional basis.
You have not provided any reasons why your application of 21 June 2016 was submitted out of time therefore there is nothing to be considered.

You are currently on a route to settlement on the basis of your family life as a partner for which you currently have extant leave remaining until 27 August 2025.

In line with Section 55 of the Borders, Citizenship, and Immigration Act 2009, you can legitimately remain in the UK following refusal of this application without any adverse effects to your children’s welfare given you have extant leave to remain.

It has not been evidenced that your circumstances are so exceptional to warrant you being issued settlement at this time rather than satisfying the above requirements under the rules or to be issued settlement prematurely rather than progressing through the probationary period of your current
leave category.

It is not deemed refusal of this application negatively affects your ability to remain in the UK.
Please note, you are not required to leave the UK as a result of this decision as you have valid leave to remain valid until 27 August 2025.

Should you wish to remain in the UK after this date you should make an appropriate charged application to do so. The earliest you should apply is 28 days before your current leave expires.

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My questions:

Below are the dates during this case:
FTT REFUSAL 9 FEB 16
UT REFUSAL 4 MAR 16
UT REFUSAL 17 MAR 16
JR SUBMITTED 4 APR 16
JR REFUSAL 24 MAY 16

1- Has she broken the 3C after JR refusal ?
2- As she is on a partner route from 2020 is that mean she only can apply for ILR in 2030 ? or is there any way out for early ILR ?
3- If she was to apply for ILR in 2030 how the holidays will be counted? from 2020 - 2023 she was out of UK max 60 days but in 2024 she went abroad for 167 days from 23 June 24 - 9 Nov 24. Now we are planning to go abroad say 10 June 2025 for 60 days can she go ? will it effect on her 2030 application?

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Re: ILR - Travlled outside UK

Post by zimba » Tue Feb 04, 2025 11:34 am

The decision to refuse is correct. Note that this application was considered under the old long residence rules in place before 11 April 2024.

JR has nothing to do with the immigration system, it is a process under the administrative law. You do not get any Section 3C protections if you go through JR. So her section 3C ended when she exhausted her appeal options on 17 March 2016. She should have applied for a new application within 28 days to benefit from provisions of paragraph 39E but a new application was submitted several months later on 21 June 2016. This broke her lawful continuous residence in the UK. She did not regularise her stay and remained an overstayer until 16 January 2020. That is when her lawful residence started again.

Assuming she was granted leave under the 10-year family route, the earliest to apply for ILR is in 2030. Under the family route, there are no absence limits
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Re: ILR - Travlled outside UK

Post by ashak » Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:40 pm

Thanks Zimba for the response. I got a little confusion as you mentioned: " Under the family route, there are no absence limits"

do you mean that 540 days of absences in the entire 10 year period and no more than 180 days absence in any 12 months period does not apply to her ? and after 10 years on this route which application will she apply to get ILR ? will it be ILR LR ?

the absense one is really bothering me.

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Re: ILR - Travlled outside UK

Post by zimba » Tue Feb 04, 2025 6:03 pm

In this case, it is possible to apply for ILR after 10 years under two routes.

It is either under the family route rules (after 10 years of holding family visas) or 10 years of having various visa types via long residence SET(LR).

Two separate paths to ILR, so different requirements apply. Under the 10-year family route, there are no absence limits
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Re: ILR - Travlled outside UK

Post by ashak » Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:59 pm

I tried to find out on GOV website but could not find where it says there is no requirement on family route absence. Could you send me a link or any publish info regarding it as I dont want her to waste another 10 years and get nothing in the end. I hope you understand.

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