Section 16 am I missing something here?

[philliusfogg]

Yesterday posted a positive decision for Section 16. Given the naysayers on Reddit, I thought there would be a comment? Given the sheer volume of Section 16 applications I cannot believe how quiet this site is on the subject? Am I missing something? Is there no appetite to discuss or for applicants to provide updates or advice?

[handoubleu]

There’s posts on here including mine which was refused even though I submitted my mum is FBR, my aunt FBR and grandmother Irish passport holder bc of her mother (my great grandparent); I attended university here; have Irish drivers license; and paid taxes from working here - still refused. On Facebook there’s groups with people who have been waiting over 5+ years on a decision, including those who have lived here and even speak Irish. For those who have been waiting over 5 years and bring judicial review to force a decision - the decision is then made and seems to be they are always refused / rejected. It’s very hit or miss with 99% miss. People are still waiting after having submitted documents supporting they meet the guideline requirements, and one person met the requirements by having more than 50% in more than two categories and was still refused/rejected. You might ask the law firms how many approvals they’ve seen to how many rejections/refusals. There’s also a lot of speculation that they are sitting on section 16 applications and that it’s only meant as an avenue for children of FBR parents who actually are living in Ireland with their minor child as there is no other way for those kids.

[Ibeeby]

Don’t take this the wrong way as I clearly don’t know your circumstances but if you have been living legally in Ireland for 5 years can you not apply for naturalisation, a process that seems to have been significantly shortened and made more efficient in recent years. Indeed, if you were here for 5+ years and married to an Irish citizen you actually have to send in more information (leading to greater chance of something being misread, overlooked etc causing delay) to use the married route so just apply based on time served…???

[nisi]

This is people trying to apply to naturalise when not living in Ireland at all, in the hope that they've found a loophole to the FBR 2-generation limit, but don't want to hear anyone telling them that it's basically not going to happen.

[handoubleu]

Don’t take this the wrong way as I clearly don’t know your circumstances but if you have been living legally in Ireland for 5 years can you not apply for naturalisation, a process that seems to have been significantly shortened and made more efficient in recent years. Indeed, if you were here for 5+ years and married to an Irish citizen you actually have to send in more information (leading to greater chance of something being misread, overlooked etc causing delay) to use the married route so just apply based on time served…???

My original application was filed when I was uncertain if I would be able to remain in Ireland as I only had a graduate stamp 1G and was not getting jobs in my field that would sponsor an employment permit. Additionally, others prefer the section 16 as it can’t be revoked under circumstances in which the residency naturalisation applications can be. Also, section 16 is not required to file the annual form declaring the intent to retain their Irish citizenship if they leave Ireland including going elsewhere in the EU or UK whereas if naturalised by residency, you must file this if you leave Ireland, and failure to do so could see the citizenship revoked (granted after 7 years, but in the current climate of immigration and citizenship reform as of late, maybe this will be exercised). Unfortunately, they’ve essentially created classes of citizenship with some forms stronger than others.