EUFAM 4 TRAVELLING TO LONDON

[El shaddai]

Hi guys,did anybody knows if it s clear to travel to the almighty London @ the moment with EUFAM 4? or if need visa anybody knows the requirements? good response will be appreciated.

[Obie]

Hi guys,did anybody knows if it s clear to travel to the almighty London @ the moment with EUFAM 4? or if need visa anybody knows the requirements? good response will be appreciated.

El Shaddai i quite like you line of questioning.

The status quo is still in place. They continue to illegally require you to apply for the notorious EEA family permit.

As Ireland has a common travel area with the UK, you will find that you will be able to travel without much ease. To be on the safer side, it will be nice if your EEA family member is with you. As a united front tend to work in our favor. That's my experience from dealing with the Justice Department in Ireland.

If you apply for the EEA family permit, you will have to fill in seventeen pages of unnecessary question and provide evidence of Accommodation, relationship to EEA national .

Good luck with your plans mate

[ca.funke]

Hi guys,did anybody knows if it s clear to travel to the almighty London @ the moment with EUFAM 4? or if need visa anybody knows the requirements? good response will be appreciated.

Hi El shaddai,

since you asked >>the same question<< on Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:42 pm, nothing much has changed.

Legally, you may still enter the UK without a visa, but also you may still run into trouble. Read here.

Regards, Christian

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

El shaddai,

Will you be travelling with your EU citizen family member?

[El shaddai]

i will be travelling with my wife, but i need to be at the saver side because i dont want any form of embarassement from those Angry Border Control Officers, just wanna know if anything has change yet. Asking for visa or eec permit or whatever they call it ,it s a total hell of requirements.

[Obie]

i will be travelling with my wife, but i need to be at the saver side because i dont want any form of embarassement from those British control officers, just wanna know if anything has change yet.

I am confident you will be fine, as long as your wife is with you.

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

I can not imagine you will have much trouble if you are travelling with your wife, you have your marriage certificate, and your have your Irish issued Residence Card (4EUFam).

Be sure to also print out a copy of the other message thread which contains the extract of the UK border office instructions.

[El shaddai]

Obie,thanks very much for your contributions, have you made same journey before? or you know anyone who has succeeded on such a trip?

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

Not that it is relevant to your UK entry, but I have done the reverse - travelling to Ireland from the UK with my wife. She has no (EU law) Residence Card and did not have the required Irish visa. But was let in (after 15 minute delay).

We did carry our marriage certificate and our passports.

[Obie]

Obie,thanks very much for your contributions, have you made same journey before? or you know anyone who has succeeded on such a trip?

Yes i have. The only difficulty you will face, is if you intend to travel to a third country and would like to return back to the UK.

You will be exempted from a transit visa if you are connecting to another flight and won't be leaving the Airport. But if you will be staying beyond 24hrs, you will not be allowed to board the flight without an EEA family permit.

If however you manage to reach the UK borders without a visa, they will have no option but to let you in.

Same with the Irish when i first arrived

[El shaddai]

thanks to every one that has contributed, we just hope one day we will be able to travel without fear of harrassement to the paradise city like London

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

paradise city like London

Hmm... I can tell you do not visit too often! It has a nice mix of good and awful!

[Obie]

thanks to every one that has contributed, we just hope one day we will be able to travel without fear of harrassement to the paradise city like London

May be, just may be. One can only hope.

[El shaddai]

What about these airlines from dublin to London i.e ryanair and aerlingus, they are like acting like an immigration checking passports and visas b4 boarding. Especially non Eu travellers, did u think they will allow me to fly together with my wife?

[Obie]

What about these airlines from dublin to London i.e ryanair and aerlingus, they are like acting like an immigration checking passports and visas b4 boarding. Especially non Eu travellers, did u think they will allow me to fly together with my wife?

They have no right to check you for immigration purposes. They are just checking to fulfill their identity checks requirement.

You can even travel with a UK/ Irish drivers licence.

You will be fine. Remember there is a common travel Area between UK and Ireland.

[El shaddai]

thanks very much Obie and thanks to every other people that have giving and shared their knowledge and clues, when i make the trip gonna bring feed back to the forum.
Thank you all

[ca.funke]

...when i make the trip gonna bring feed back to the forum...

I do sincerely wish you good luck and anxiously waiting for feedback

Good luck and enjoy London.

[archigabe]

There is generally no passport control when you land in terminal 1 ( i think in heathrow) for flights arriving from Ireland. It will be altogether different experience for you to convince the check in staff to let you board the flight as the carrier can be fined if you are detained by immigration at London.
It's not worth the risk and aggravation, and i suggest you apply for the EEA permit as they process the visa within a week or less for free if everything is in order.

[Ben]

What about these airlines from dublin to London i.e ryanair and aerlingus, they are like acting like an immigration checking passports and visas b4 boarding. Especially non Eu travellers, did u think they will allow me to fly together with my wife?

Airlines can be heavily fined by the destination country, if they bring in a passenger who is not in possession of the required travel documents. This is why airlines have a right to refuse travel to persons who do not have the correct ID / passport / visa / return ticket (delete as appropriate).

Ryanair / Aer Lingus (and all) are correct in what they are doing, so long as they really do know what they're doing that is, - including all the appropriate rules / provisions / laws.

It is important to remember that only British and Irish citizens are entitled to move among the Common Travel Area without the need to carry a passport. All other nationals - including EEA nationals - require a valid passport or EEA National ID card when moving between Ireland and the UK.

Practically speaking however, I can echo the others' comments about the lack of border control at UK ports of entry, in respect of flights / vessels arriving from Ireland. The likelihood is that you'll simply walk out un-checked.

[Obie]

If the OP is travelling with his spouse and will not be making any subsequent journey to a third country, from which he will be returning to the UK, i will suggest he doesn't apply for it at all.

He is a holder of a valid resident card issued under Directive 2004/38EC.

Article 5 of the directive explicitly states he is exempted.

Even if he doesn't meet the above requirements, there is Mrax ruling and article 5 also provide him additional protection.

He will be doing absolutely nothing unlawful, entering the UK without an EEA family permit.