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Does a birth certificate of a baby count a proof of marriage

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Does a birth certificate of a baby count a proof of marriage

Post by Jama » Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:38 pm

Dear Friends,

Could you please advise me if a birth certificate of my daughter count as a proof of marriage ( the document contains my husband and my name as the parents')

Many thanks
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Post by John » Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:08 pm

Jama, a birth certificate proving a marriage? Clearly by itself ...no! In the UK if the parents are not married the father's details can be entered on to the child's birth certificate if both the mother and the father agree.

If the birth was not in the UK then which country?

The marriage certificate clearly proves the marriage happened.
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Post by Jama » Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:59 pm

John, thank you for your post. I have a marriage certificate, but since HSMP requires more evidence for married couples I thought that could be the case. I am from Azerbaijan, and here (as I suppose everywhere, correct me if i am wrong please )the birth certificates contain the names of both parents.... So you think I should not even try to send it as an evidence?

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Post by John » Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:26 pm

Ah right, you are intending to claim points in respect of your spouse, and therefore want to prove that that person is indeed your spouse? If so the marriage certificate will suffice to prove that the two of you are married.
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Post by mama_mia » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:18 am

According to the caseworkers' internal guidelines, a birth certificate of a child can be considered as evidence of marriage ONLY if it has your address written in it.

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Post by John » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:25 am

mama_mia, could you kindly post either a link to the section of the internal guidance you are referring to, or alternatively at least the name of the chapter or annex concerned?
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Post by mama_mia » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:30 am

HSMP INTERNAL CASEWORKER GUIDANCE V4.1

quote:
Evidence required to demonstrate a two year partnership
The applicant must supply evidence that they and their long-term partner have
been living in a relationship of either marriage, or a relationship akin to
marriage, that has subsisted for the last two years or more.
They must provide three pieces of evidence, from the list above, addressed to
both the applicant and their partner to demonstrate that they have lived at the
same address for the last two years.
If the applicant is married they should supply their marriage certificate as one
of the pieces of evidence to confirm the relationship. Civil partners should
supply their civil partnership document.
An example of this is the case of an applicant and their partner has been
living together since March 2002. They should supply a piece of official
evidence addressed to them both, at the same address, from March 2002 (if
married, this could be their marriage certificate or civil partnership document
to show when they started living together), a piece from 2003 and a piece
from March 2004.
The address does not have to be the same one for the two years (as the
applicant may have moved house) it is more important that the documents
show that the applicant and partner have continuously lived at the same
address as each other for the last two years.
The caseworker must be satisfied that the evidence provided clearly
demonstrates that the applicant and partner have been living together for the
last two years before points can be awarded
Evidence that is not acceptable
An applicant cannot use the following evidence for demonstrating a two year
relationship:
• Wedding/civil partnership photographs – as this does not establish that the
couple live together or the length of the relationship
• Children’s birth certificates (if they don’t have addresses on)• Personal references – as these are not official documents.

here is the link to all the internal guidance for HSMP:

HSMP Caseworker Guidance

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Post by John » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:47 am

mama_mia, thanks for that. You posted :-
According to the caseworkers' internal guidelines, a birth certificate of a child can be considered as evidence of marriage ONLY if it has your address written in it.
-: but the section you have posted says something rather different! The document says about "Children’s birth certificates" but only as regards proving a two year (unmarried) relationship .... and makes no reference to a child's birth certificate proving a marriage of the parents.
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Post by mama_mia » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:25 am

Well, to claim 10 points for the skilled partner one needs to prove that they've been in a relationship for at least 2 years, and it doesn't matter if they are married or not. In case of married couples the marriage certificate is one of the needed pieces of evidence. If the couple has a child and it's birth certificate has their address on it, it counts as another piece of evidence.

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