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UK citizen on benefits with unmarried partner

Post by Asgard » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:16 pm

New to this forum, but I've had a look around, and it looks like a jolly good place with friendly people and helpful advice! Hopefully someone can help with a few questions and hopefully I can help others in the future with advice I've learned from my ongoing experience as well.

Wasn't sure which forum to put this in given my other half and I are not married, so technically not family I guess. Apologies in advance if posted in the wrong area and hope the mods will move it to the appropriate one if so.

OK then, here's the situation to help fill you in:

I am British born and resident in the UK and am currently on the following benefits (and have been for some years):

*Council Tax Benefit (full)

*Housing Benefit (not on LHA, but pre-LHA system. Almost full amount, slight restriction of about £2.50 a week less due to originally saying it was partly furnished - it was actually all provided, but I thought by adding my own they would see it as partly furnished anyway when they came around to check it a few months after first moving in years ago. I have a private landlord.)

*DLA (low mobility, middle care)

*Income Support (with severe disability premium)

I have a 10 and a half year relationship with a lady of Chinese descent from Hong Kong. She was born there, and holds a BNO as well as a HK SAR passport. She can visit here for up to 6 months, but has no right of abode. Lately, we have decided to make a life together here. She is prepared to give up her reasonably well paid job in Hong Kong to come and live here with me.

I am aware that we have to show we have lived together for 2 years when applying for the visa. Obviously despite our long relationship with visits a couple of times for 2 weeks each time every year, we have not done so - it's a bit difficult to stay for long when she has a job over there to go back to. However, as I previously mentioned she is thinking of giving up her job so that she can stay here to meet this requirement. She is also thinking of doing some unpaid volunteer work here if that helps her application - and hopefully will later on show potential employers that she hasn't been lazy and been using her time in a useful manner whilst not being able to work during that period.

My first question is how is this 2 year period possible to achieve if she can only stay here at 6 months at a time, and presumably UK immigration control might give her a hard time if she stays for example 5 months, goes back to Hong Kong for a month, then comes back for another 5 months, etc, until the 2 years are made up? Any advice how to make sure this isn't a problem for the immigration people? And does it have to be 24 straight months, or are short gaps allowed? That seems impossible to achieve if she has to leave every 6 months due to her passport period running out!

My second question is the recourse to public funds. Am I still entitled to my existing benefits if she comes here and lives with me as an unmarried partner and not working (as she is not allowed to work of course until she applies and hopefully gets the visa)? Obviously she would not be claiming any benefits for herself and I have no intention of claiming anything above what I already have as they are more than adequate for my needs and would be enough for both of us if it came to that. However, she plans to have her own money anyway, which links into my next question.

My third question is how much does it help if she has her own income? She is planning to buy a house here as a cash buyer with money from her family (no mortgage needed) and renting it for about £650 to £700 per month to have her own income whilst staying here in my home (which is rented but doesn't cost much to rent - there's a co-tenant, but we have separate rent agreements and our own rooms). And how will all this affect my benefits, and how much could I expect to have deducted when I tell the DWP about the situation? I don't mind that happening but it just helps to know by how much when planning budgets as I'm trying to do right now. Presumably she would have to pay Basic Rate tax on that rental income too when we tell Revenue and Customs about everything, but that's not a problem as there would still be a fair amount left after such deductions.

I currently have my own savings of about £3000 and don't receive any other income other than my benefits, not even from her. She has her own savings, but is likely to use most of that buying the house in addition to money given by her family when the time comes, but should still have some left afterwards. I guess that depending how much she has, that would affect my benefits as well once she starts living with me.

Many thanks in advance!


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Post by Casa » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:34 pm

There are others on the forum who are better informed than I am regarding DLA allowances etc., but I would like to check with you why you aren't considering the marriage route as you've had a relationship for more than 10 years. An application for a Unmarried Partner visa stands little chance.
I'm moving this to the family section where it rightly belongs.

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Post by Asgard » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:40 pm

Ah, thanks for the reply. And thanks for moving the topic to the appropriate area.

Edit: Gah, just noticed the words underneath this forum on the main page about unmarried partners. Silly me. Sorry for posting in the wrong area.

Well, the marriage thing is a philosophical issue actually. However, we can consider a civil ceremony as it looks like that makes things somewhat easier.

Why would the unmarried route not be successful? Because of the problems in her staying here?


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Post by Casa » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:23 pm

Due to her being on a visitor visa. It wouldn't be considered as 2 years continuous co-habitation living together in a relationship 'akin to marriage'.

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Post by Asgard » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:48 pm

Ah, I see. So it has to be completely continuous and visitor visas/stays don't count at all towards anything. Apologies, as I really didn't realise that at all and had assumed they would actually count for something. Thanks for clearing that up.

OK, so becoming a fiancée or getting married are a good idea. I'm just dreading all the stuff needed to arrange a marriage ceremony and arranging relatives to fly to the venue whether here or in Hong Kong as that would be a big thing. I don't do family gatherings very well either - they terrify me. Never mind though. It's high time we did this and challenged my quite frankly silly ideas about such things. Love conquers all after all. :D

Assuming we do that, that still leaves the other questions to deal with. So how do things proceed if we do this?


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Post by MPH80 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:23 pm

A marriage doesn't have to be a big affair - it can be you, witnesses and a registrar.

If you want to head down the fiancee route - you apply for that from her home country - cost £750. You then get married within 6 months and switch to a 2 year spouse visa - cost £450.

Alternatively - you go there - get married. Then you can apply for the spouse visa directly - cost £750.

Final option - she comes on a marriage *visit* visa - cost £50. You get married, she returns to HK and applies for the spouse visa.

Note: It *is* possible to get married on a standard visitor visa. However, this requires an application for a certificate of approval (COA) - which can take longer than the length of the visitor visa. Even if it came through in time, your partner would still have to return to HK to convert to a spouse visa.

Upside of the fiancee visa - you get to get married here. Downside - she cannot work until converted to the spouse visa.

Upside of the spouse visa - lower cost on visa applications. Downside - you have to travel there to get married.

All detailed here:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/partn ... /partners/

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Post by Asgard » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:31 pm

Thanks for the information - it's very useful and you've put things across in a clear manner. Had a look through the links and that's useful too.

Well, the thing is, whilst I'm aware that it is possible to have such a small ceremony, that likely won't fly with her relatives at all. They'll want the whole shebang. Chinese style ceremonies are very elaborate, and the average in Hong Kong is about HK$226,000 (£18,000 or so). Quite honestly, I can't see them forking out some money for a house AND a wedding ceremony, and I can't expect much help from my own relatives. Hmm, conundrum there.

If we get married here, they'll want to attend (and it's not a small number of people) so wherever we get married will work out expensive.

The only thing I can think of is trying to have the registrar ceremony first, and then when we have built up more money, have the main event. I don't think they'd be happy with that though. On the plus side however, she'll be able to look for a job if she gets the visa, so that'd help in building up some money for such a thing. Still, the job market isn't exactly that great right now so not sure how long that'd take.

This is one of the other reasons why the unmarried partner route was so attractive. We were hoping after 2 years or so to get to the stage of getting the visa, then her getting the job, and then if necessary have the ceremony once we had enough money to do it decently. The proposed house rental income would hopefully help her visa application too as it would clearly show she has money to live off and not having to use public funds.

Her family don't mind us living together, but if there's a marriage, well, face demands that there's an elaborate ceremony.

So a registrar office ceremony that we keep quiet about to her family seems the only way here, and then we pay for a full event in Hong Kong later (can one get married another time in a separate country?).

Well, we'll see what happens when we discuss all this. It'll certainly be... interesting, in a Chinese sense! This is not as simple as I thought it would be, so it's really helpful about all this information.

A pity about the COA taking so long to come through. Seems too risky and not workable to do that on a standard visitor visa anyway.

Despite all that, the information is most useful. I noticed that the government are planning to abolish COAs sometime this spring according to the document on the UK Border Agency's website?

That's the visa question answered pretty clearly it seems. Now I just need to know about the benefits and the house idea. I noticed in other threads here that sponsors appear to get to keep at least some of their benefits in their own right. I'm sure there will be deductions, however, I'm just wondering how much so I know what to expect, and also to be certain about if one can actually still get some.


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Post by Asgard » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:57 pm

Having reflected upon the advice given, I can now see several positives.

By being married, it means the visa application can be done sooner in the future than the plan we originally had. This means we won't have to wait so long to live together.

It also means she is allowed to find a job as soon as she gets it (assuming they approve it).

This also means once we have that income from her job, no need to rent out a house to do it, she can just buy one and we can move in, and I could get off most or even all benefits, which would be brilliant as hopefully we'd have enough from her job to take care of us both.

The only problem is the organisation and cost of the marriage. Well, I'm sure we'll think of a way to somehow deal with it. The most important thing is we can live together sooner and I won't have to claim money any more so there's good incentives there.

If you are wondering why I don't move to Hong Kong and live there with her, it's simple. On the NHS, my medical issues are dealt with, but over there, it'd cost a lot to pay for it all.

I'd like to thank the people here for giving us new perspectives on this!


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Post by Casa » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:38 pm

Keep us updated Asgard. :wink:

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