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£25 makes sense. If it happens 3 or 4 times, you have the price for a new passport covered. If it happens 10 or 15 times, then you have the trip to the embassy covered.maviesk wrote:it would be appropriate to offer such a payment and I propose to offer £25...
I wonder was the lady you mentioned insisting that a landing card was required actually working for UKBA. The reason I suggest this is that BAA often hire queue helpers who are not necessarily familiar with the rules.flames wrote:I came back from Graz, Austria yesterday and landed at Stanstead. The flight was already delayed and i had a National Express coach funfare ticket thus i could not afford to miss the coach to central London.
I then joined the ''other passports queue'' as it was far much shorter. Just before i got to the IO a UKBA lady who was sitting on a chair in front of the queue asked and insisted for a landing card. I politely told her that i do not need one as i hold an EU residence card as a family member but she was saying if you are using this queue you need to complete a landing card. Luckily my turn to see an IO came before i could continue the pointless conversation with the lady.
This time around the IO knew what he was doing. I presented my passport with the Residence card page open and initially he said where is your landing card? then he quickly realised i do not need to complete one. He just checked the authenticity of the passport and did not ask me any questions. He even went on to say that next time you can join the EU queue but just remember to present your passport to the IO with the Residence card page open. I was pleased to deal with someone who knew what he was doing but it also makes me wonder why some IO's know and apply the law correctly and why some IO's do not?.
On a different note; In Graz at exit passport checks i encountered an IO who spent 15 minutes in total examining my UK issued EU residence card and French issued Schengen visa. He even took out some magnifying glass and thoroughly scanned the scengen visa and residence card. He repeatedly inserted my passport into a machine to check it's authenticity. All this happened without him even asking me any question until i asked him ''what the problem was?'' and he mumbled in half German, half English about doing his job and then he quickly stamped the passport and gave it back to me with a hardly disguised annoyed look on his face......
Great. It's not all bad. The message is perhaps getting through.Ikonkar wrote:Hi All,
Thought I should share my short story, arrived at Heathrow last night, wasn't travelling with my EU Wife, at UK Border Control I stood in other passports Que., didn't filled in landing card either. Upon showing my passport she(Immigration Officer) asked me few questions about my wife (where she's working, what nationality, etc etc. I answered all the questions confidently, she smiled and said welcome back!!!
No Stamp on passport either.
GOD BLESS
Ikonkar
On the other hand, your passport should not have been stamped in Gratz.flames wrote:I came back from Graz, Austria yesterday and landed at Stanstead. The flight was already delayed and i had a National Express coach funfare ticket thus i could not afford to miss the coach to central London.
I then joined the ''other passports queue'' as it was far much shorter. Just before i got to the IO a UKBA lady who was sitting on a chair in front of the queue asked and insisted for a landing card. I politely told her that i do not need one as i hold an EU residence card as a family member but she was saying if you are using this queue you need to complete a landing card. Luckily my turn to see an IO came before i could continue the pointless conversation with the lady.
This time around the IO knew what he was doing. I presented my passport with the Residence card page open and initially he said where is your landing card? then he quickly realised i do not need to complete one. He just checked the authenticity of the passport and did not ask me any questions. He even went on to say that next time you can join the EU queue but just remember to present your passport to the IO with the Residence card page open. I was pleased to deal with someone who knew what he was doing but it also makes me wonder why some IO's know and apply the law correctly and why some IO's do not?.
On a different note; In Graz at exit passport checks i encountered an IO who spent 15 minutes in total examining my UK issued EU residence card and French issued Schengen visa. He even took out some magnifying glass and thoroughly scanned the scengen visa and residence card. He repeatedly inserted my passport into a machine to check it's authenticity. All this happened without him even asking me any question until i asked him ''what the problem was?'' and he mumbled in half German, half English about doing his job and then he quickly stamped the passport and gave it back to me with a hardly disguised annoyed look on his face......
That is indeed the case; the jobtitle of this lady is presenter and she is not a UKBA employee. My wife recently had a collision with one of them in Manchester, which triggered a complaint from me to both the airport and UKBA (as I think UKBA should have overall responsibility for the entire passport checking process). The response from the airport follows:EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:I wonder was the lady you mentioned insisting that a landing card was required actually working for UKBA. The reason I suggest this is that BAA often hire queue helpers who are not necessarily familiar with the rules.
Manchester Airport wrote:I am sorry to hear about your experience in immigration. As you are aware, the presenters are employed to present passengers to immigration on the airline's behalf and the company that does this in Manchester is OCS. I have passed your feedback on to OCS and they have replied informing me that general guidance from immigration is to ensure that passengers join the correct queue which means EU passport holders join the EU queue and non-EU passengers fill out landing cards. Unfortunately, where passengers have been granted a special dispensation from the Home Office the presenters have not been trained to verify the authenticity of such documents as this is the role of the Immigration Officer.
I apologise for the inconvenience when you were processing through immigration and OCS have assured me that they will use your feedback to liase with Immigration to try and resolve the issue in future and ensure that passengers travel through the airport as smoothly as possible.
You pointed that to me last time but not having carried documentary evidence to that effect( in case of an arguement), i just let it slide. There was also the language barrier issue and the fact that i carry 2 passports and the IO did not look at the old passport with the reidence card.EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:On the other hand, your passport should not have been stamped in Gratz.flames wrote:I came back from Graz, Austria yesterday and landed at Stanstead. The flight was already delayed and i had a National Express coach funfare ticket thus i could not afford to miss the coach to central London.
I then joined the ''other passports queue'' as it was far much shorter. Just before i got to the IO a UKBA lady who was sitting on a chair in front of the queue asked and insisted for a landing card. I politely told her that i do not need one as i hold an EU residence card as a family member but she was saying if you are using this queue you need to complete a landing card. Luckily my turn to see an IO came before i could continue the pointless conversation with the lady.
This time around the IO knew what he was doing. I presented my passport with the Residence card page open and initially he said where is your landing card? then he quickly realised i do not need to complete one. He just checked the authenticity of the passport and did not ask me any questions. He even went on to say that next time you can join the EU queue but just remember to present your passport to the IO with the Residence card page open. I was pleased to deal with someone who knew what he was doing but it also makes me wonder why some IO's know and apply the law correctly and why some IO's do not?.
On a different note; In Graz at exit passport checks i encountered an IO who spent 15 minutes in total examining my UK issued EU residence card and French issued Schengen visa. He even took out some magnifying glass and thoroughly scanned the scengen visa and residence card. He repeatedly inserted my passport into a machine to check it's authenticity. All this happened without him even asking me any question until i asked him ''what the problem was?'' and he mumbled in half German, half English about doing his job and then he quickly stamped the passport and gave it back to me with a hardly disguised annoyed look on his face......
Presenter - what a delightful job title!fysicus wrote:That is indeed the case; the jobtitle of this lady is presenter and she is not a UKBA employee. My wife recently had a collision with one of them in Manchester, which triggered a complaint from me to both the airport and UKBA (as I think UKBA should have overall responsibility for the entire passport checking process). The response from the airport follows:EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:I wonder was the lady you mentioned insisting that a landing card was required actually working for UKBA. The reason I suggest this is that BAA often hire queue helpers who are not necessarily familiar with the rules.Manchester Airport wrote:I am sorry to hear about your experience in immigration. As you are aware, the presenters are employed to present passengers to immigration on the airline's behalf and the company that does this in Manchester is OCS. I have passed your feedback on to OCS and they have replied informing me that general guidance from immigration is to ensure that passengers join the correct queue which means EU passport holders join the EU queue and non-EU passengers fill out landing cards. Unfortunately, where passengers have been granted a special dispensation from the Home Office the presenters have not been trained to verify the authenticity of such documents as this is the role of the Immigration Officer.
I apologise for the inconvenience when you were processing through immigration and OCS have assured me that they will use your feedback to liase with Immigration to try and resolve the issue in future and ensure that passengers travel through the airport as smoothly as possible.
I suspect it would be treated as a fresh application, but I'm really not sure.flames wrote:
You pointed that to me last time but not having carried documentary evidence to that effect( in case of an arguement), i just let it slide. There was also the language barrier issue and the fact that i carry 2 passports and the IO did not look at the old passport with the reidence card.
I made a fresh application today for them to put the residence card in my new passport as i don't want the hassle of carrying 2 passports all the time. I hope it won't take the usual 3-4 months this time around.
Do you know if UKBA backdate the residence card in the new passport or they put the date they made a decision on the fresh application?. I know it doesn't matter at the end of the day but am just curious.....
A delightful job title, indeed, for an IMHO totally redundant job! At all (non-UK) European airports that I remember, there are simply just signs: EU passports - other passports, or something like that, and passengers read these signs (or ignore them) and choose the correct queue themselves. And usually there is no penalty for choosing the wrong queue!EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:Presenter - what a delightful job title!
Your complaint is important. A more meek person would perhaps just do what they are told.
The other day I was in the other passports queue at the Istanbul Atatürk Airport, and the couple before me in the queue presented a Turkish and a foreign passport. The partner with the foreign passport got its stamp and made through, but the Turkish passport holder was sent away to the Turkish citizens queue 50m back. And I must say the policeman was clearly not really happy about it, I couldn't really follow the conversation, but it was clear the Turkish passport holder was severely scolded for his "mistake". That said, I noticed because in other European airports I have often chosen the other passports queue even tough I hold an EEA citizenship and no one has ever complained, and because my wife, a Turkish citizen, has never queued with me at Turkish ports of entry or exit, because she ever thought, it seems rightly, that what I witnessed was bound to happen if she did.fysicus wrote:t all (non-UK) European airports that I remember, there are simply just signs: EU passports - other passports, or something like that, and passengers read these signs (or ignore them) and choose the correct queue themselves. And usually there is no penalty for choosing the wrong queue!
I used to have to buy a visa at the border to enter Turkey, but for Italian citizens they have removed even that requirement years ago. Nowadays you just go at the border gate with your passport, and they stamp it when you go in and when you go out, without visa, as long as you stay for less than 90 days. AFAIK this should happen also for the citizens of other 15 EEA countries.fysicus wrote:I've never been to Turkey, but my understanding is that EU nationals even require a visa for Turkey (although you can easily get it on arrival at the airport).