EEA1 : can't register at a jobcentre-plus as jobseeker?

[sc2012uk]

Ok, good to know the ukba wasn't clearly wrong. I don't feel so wronged now

I didn't know the coa was not for me but for my wife but what I meant was proof that I applied for eea1 giving me clear(er) evidence of being able to work here. I didn't know employers have no problems hiring people with european passports. That's one less problem then.

I haven't applied for specific jobs yet, but I will before re-submitting eea1.

About JSA, I checked out the jsa requirements but I have savings outside of the UK which imo are too high so I haven't applied for jsa thinking it would be denied anyway on grounds of having too much savings. Or am I wrong to think that?

[Greenie]

Ok, good to know the ukba wasn't clearly wrong. I don't feel so wronged now

I didn't know the coa was not for me but for my wife but what I meant was proof that I applied for eea1 giving me clear(er) evidence of being able to work here. I didn't know employers have no problems hiring people with european passports. That's one less problem then.

I haven't applied for specific jobs yet, but I will before re-submitting eea1.

About JSA, I checked out the jsa requirements but I have savings outside of the UK which imo are too high so I haven't applied for jsa thinking it would be denied anyway on grounds of having too much savings. Or am I wrong to think that?

if you are serious about getting a job in the UK then you should start applying for jobs directly. Don't just rely on recruitment agencies.

How much do you have in savings?

[sc2012uk]

If you don't mind I would like to keep that amount private but the amount we have is more than the amount that would entitle us to any jsa (or lowered jsa depending on savings).

[Greenie]

in that case why aren't you applying as a self-sufficient person?

[sc2012uk]

Because it's my plan to eventually work in the UK and looking at the requirements being jobseeker/worker seemed more straightforward.

like I wrote earlier:
-as self-sufficient do I need to prove money in a UK account? Then I would have to buy ~6000 pounds at a very unfavourable Euro rate (=10% down the drain).
-csi is another possible issue and makes self-sufficient the more expensive option (over jobseeker/worker)

I wouldn't mind trying as self-sufficient if I could be reasonably sure the ukba would not refuse my euro account balance plus a cheap private health insurance (of ~70 pound pm, not ~300 pound p.m.) as evidence.

[Greenie]

there is nothing to stop you changing the way you exercise your treaty rights as long as you exercise them in one way or another. You don't need a UK bank account. I can't comment on the cost of CSI but I suggest you look around. Your other option is to make serious efforts to look for work and provide this evidence.

[sc2012uk]

ok , thanks for your advice.

where did you read that money in a non-uk bankaccount may be used to prove being self-sufficient?

[Greenie]

ok , thanks for your advice.

where did you read that money in a non-uk bankaccount may be used to prove being self-sufficient?

where did you read that it doesn't?

As long as you have access to the funds, which you do, then it's fine.

[sc2012uk]

ok , thanks for your advice.

where did you read that money in a non-uk bankaccount may be used to prove being self-sufficient?

where did you read that it doesn't?

As long as you have access to the funds, which you do, then it's fine.

yes, but it's an issue if the ukba thinks i don't eventhough I may think what I want, like thinking I proved I was a jobseeker.

It would be nice to see something written down. Another refusal because I don't "think" the same as the ukba would be a shame.

I could try calling the ukba about it but the first (and last) time i tried, they left me hanging for an hour before a lady spoke to me. She didn't know anything about how to prove my jobseeker status.

[Greenie]

ok , thanks for your advice.

where did you read that money in a non-uk bankaccount may be used to prove being self-sufficient?

where did you read that it doesn't?

As long as you have access to the funds, which you do, then it's fine.

yes, but it's an issue if the ukba thinks i don't eventhough I may think what I want, like thinking I proved I was a jobseeker.

It would be nice to see something written down. Another refusal because I don't "think" the same as the ukba would be a shame.

the rules require that you are self-sufficient, i.e. that you have enough resources so as not to become a burden on the state. They don't require that you have a specific amount of money held in a bank account based in the host state. Given that PBS migrants for example can rely on maintenance funds held in overseas accounts there is no reason why an EEA national can't either.

[sc2012uk]

ok thanks.
sound like self-sufficient is still a good option for me.

Do you know wether it will need to be an original paper bank balance sheet that's no older than a few weeks or so? (instead of a current online banking balance printout?)

Does it have to be a balance sheet in english?

The last (Dutch) paper balance sheet I can find is from august 2011. I guess that will be way too old.

[Greenie]

it should be in English, and yes Aug 2011 will be too old. It depends on what the online banking print out looks like as to whether it will be accepted. Note that without knowing how much money you have it is not possible to comment on whether you are likely to be viewed as being self-sufficient.

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

it should be in English, and yes Aug 2011 will be too old. It depends on what the online banking print out looks like as to whether it will be accepted. Note that without knowing how much money you have it is not possible to comment on whether you are likely to be viewed as being self-sufficient.

I would disagree that it should be in English. There is no such requirement. UKBA can more than likely figure out that a balance of 500,000 euro is indicated in any of the major European languages. And if they can not, they have some serious internal problems.

[Greenie]

it should be in English, and yes Aug 2011 will be too old. It depends on what the online banking print out looks like as to whether it will be accepted. Note that without knowing how much money you have it is not possible to comment on whether you are likely to be viewed as being self-sufficient.

I would disagree that it should be in English. There is no such requirement. UKBA can more than likely figure out that a balance of 500,000 euro is indicated in any of the major European languages. And if they can not, they have some serious internal problems.

it really depends on the bank statement. Some are clear and some are not for example as to what type of account they are etc. To avoid them sending docs back then it's worth getting a translation.

[sc2012uk]

it's more than 10.000
(i gathered around 6 or 7 thousand pounds should be enough for self-sufficienct evidence, but that seems to be a bit vague)

Maybe I should ask my bank to give me an English balance statement. I'm not sure they will provide that service, but I can call them about it.

[sc2012uk]

Or maybe I can open a euro-bankaccount in the UK at my UK bank.
I could transfer the euro's without buying pounds that way and also get english statements of the uk euro account.

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

If it is clearly a bank balance statement, then a translation is a waste of time. But if you will otherwise worry about it, it may be worth doing just for the peace of mind.

[sc2012uk]

thanks
(i just mailed my bank asking them wether they are able to send my balance statement in english)

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

"Please note that this is not a formal determination of your status under the Regulations..."

You have not been refused then. It is a request for additional information.

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

If you don't mind I would like to keep that amount private but the amount we have is more than the amount that would entitle us to any jsa (or lowered jsa depending on savings).

It is reasonable that you keep it to yourself, but you must be a self-sufficient person then!

An EHIC from your home country will satisfy the CSI requirement until you find your feet.

Reapply on that basis. It will be no harm to state that you are actively seeking work whilst being self-sufficient.

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

Maybe I should ask my bank to give me an English balance statement.

Generally, banks would be more than willing to provide a reference including balance (for a fee).

[sc2012uk]

If you don't mind I would like to keep that amount private but the amount we have is more than the amount that would entitle us to any jsa (or lowered jsa depending on savings).

It is reasonable that you keep it to yourself, but you must be a self-sufficient person then!

An EHIC from your home country will satisfy the CSI requirement until you find your feet.

Reapply on that basis. It will be no harm to state that you are actively seeking work whilst being self-sufficient.

I don't have any insurance from my country. I entered the UK from outside of Europe where I have been living with my wife and son. We had a temporary insurance to cover the trip only. I guess that makes us uninsured now that my status is undetermined? Or are we covered bij nhs at the moment? We did get nhs numbers through registration at a gp after arrival in the uk.

Maybe I should ask my bank to give me an English balance statement.

Generally, banks would be more than willing to provide a reference including balance (for a fee).

ok. I just hope they are willing to do it in English or it won't be much better than my normal non-english balance sheets.

"Please note that this is not a formal determination of your status under the Regulations..."

You have not been refused then. It is a request for additional information.

yes.
and they did provide a caseid in their letter....so we are now in the "ukba mill".

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

I was thinking of another tack...

You might consider getting some employment (even if it is temporary and outside your field). This would satisfy the requirement of being a worker. You could leave it once you find something more permanent. It might be easier said than done, I know that, but it's something to bear in mind.

Remember, part time employment counts as long as it is "genuine and effective".

[sc2012uk]

I was thinking of another tack...

You might consider getting some employment (even if it is temporary and outside your field). This would satisfy the requirement of being a worker. You could leave it once you find something more permanent. It might be easier said than done, I know that, but it's something to bear in mind.

Remember, part time employment counts as long as it is "genuine and effective".

right, i have been thinking about that now that the recruitment office seems to have something for me.

wouldn't I have to wait for my first payslip regarding worker evidence before i can re-apply? that would mean an extra month delay at least, or would the workcontract suffice as evidence?

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

...wouldn't I have to wait for my first payslip regarding worker evidence before i can re-apply? that would mean an extra month delay at least, or would the workcontract suffice as evidence?

No need to wait, a letter of engagement from an employer or employment contract would be more than sufficient.