EUFAM4, asylum and a little bit lie

alisha1 · Post by **alisha1** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:08 pm

Hi, everybody.
My friend came to Ireland 6 years ago by tourist visa and after visa expired decide to stay here without visa. One day he had been arrested and was making story that he is from Bhutan, gave to Garda fake name and apply for asylum. Of course thay took fingerprints and he was staying all this 6 years under fake name.
Last October he got married to EU and apply for EUFAM4, they gave him 6 month visa, but this time didn't take fingerprints. After 6 month expired, they gave 3 month visa (because his wife changed work and they didn't inform INIS), took fingerprints. Now the have newborn baby as well.
Now he is worried they will refuse his application and deport him, because of this lie. What will be result?
many thanks for answers

Post by **ca.funke** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:11 pm

alisha1 wrote:...Last October he got married to EU...

which nationality did he get married to?

alisha1 · Post by **alisha1** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:13 pm

ca.funke wrote:
alisha1 wrote:...Last October he got married to EU...
which nationality did he get married to?

Latvian

Post by **ca.funke** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:35 pm

alisha1 wrote:...Now he is worried they will refuse his application and deport him, because of this lie. What will be result?

If the current marriage in genuine (I shall assume it is), there is nothing he has to worry about.

There has been case law which clearly shows that anyone married to an EU citizen cannot be deported, just because the person originally entered illegally.

I´m sure the corresponding experts will add the relevant decisions (which I don´t know), but overall thing is: Nothing to worry about!

Rgds, Christian

alisha1 · Post by **alisha1** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:47 pm

ca.funke wrote:
alisha1 wrote:...Now he is worried they will refuse his application and deport him, because of this lie. What will be result?
If the current marriage in genuine (I shall assume it is), there is nothing he has to worry about.

There has been case law which clearly shows that anyone married to an EU citizen cannot be deported, just because the person originally entered illegally.

I´m sure the corresponding experts will add the relevant decisions (which I don´t know), but overall thing is: Nothing to worry about!

Rgds, Christian

Thanks a lot for answer, i told him the same.

Irisheddy · Post by **Irisheddy** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:28 pm

I assumed he got married under his real name. If so he has nothing to worry about. Otherwise it is a serious offence.

To be fair to the Registry Office, even if you are undocumented, as long as it is not a sham marriage they usually ask no difficult questions about residency.

alisha1 · Post by **alisha1** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:44 pm

Irisheddy wrote:I assumed he got married under his real name. If so he has nothing to worry about. Otherwise it is a serious offence.

To be fair to the Registry Office, even if you are undocumented, as long as it is not a sham marriage they usually ask no difficult questions about residency.

Thanks. His marriage is not fake, he got married under his real name, that's why he is worried that did asylum on fake name and gave fingerprints under this fake name, hopefully everything will be fine.

Irisheddy · Post by **Irisheddy** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:10 pm

One other matter. Does he have a ppsn number? If so, is it in his assumed name? Has he worked or drawn social welfare? The department of Social protection is separate to INIS

alisha1 · Post by **alisha1** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:44 pm

Irisheddy wrote:One other matter. Does he have a ppsn number? If so, is it in his assumed name? Has he worked or drawn social welfare? The department of Social protection is separate to INIS

He has PPSn on fake name, but he didnt work and didn't take social. After he got married, he got PPSn on his real name and start to work.

Irisheddy · Post by **Irisheddy** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:20 am

I have sent you a pm. Let me know if you do not receive it

walrusgumble · Post by **walrusgumble** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:09 am

alisha1 wrote:Hi, everybody.
My friend came to Ireland 6 years ago by tourist visa and after visa expired decide to stay here without visa. One day he had been arrested and was making story that he is from Bhutan, gave to Garda fake name and apply for asylum. Of course thay took fingerprints and he was staying all this 6 years under fake name.
Last October he got married to EU and apply for EUFAM4, they gave him 6 month visa, but this time didn't take fingerprints. After 6 month expired, they gave 3 month visa (because his wife changed work and they didn't inform INIS), took fingerprints. Now the have newborn baby as well.
Now he is worried they will refuse his application and deport him, because of this lie. What will be result?
many thanks for answers

Technically, if he used a fake name at marriage ceremony, then, the marriage is INVALID!!!! But you said that he married under his real name, so, okay

Gave Gardaí fake name? That is a criminal offence on its own (regardless of nationality)

Wasted the state a few thousands in asylum one sees. Great

Child will probably keep him here, unfortunately. What nationality is Mother? Is the Child an Irish CITIZEN?

However, he married under his real name. Did he apply for residency under his real name? If so , why the need to come clean?

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