20 yr old child as PBS dependent, which form to use for ILR?

[Ashokbrt]

Dear community members,

I came to the UK in 2007 August together with my son and my wife under Work Permit visa. As my son was 15 year old at that time, and he was granted Dependent visa together with my wife. I've switched into Tier 1 general in 2009 and recently again into Tier 2 General. Threre are no breaks in the application and all the time I'm holding the same job in a reputed company. In both switchings, my son has dependant status.

Now is the time to apply for ILR. I've filled up the SET (O) form for myslef and included wife in it. However, as the Guidelines suggests that I may not include any children above 18 old in the same form, I called them and asked which form do I need to fill for him. They advised me to use a separate SET (O) form for him as well.

AT that time I though it would be easy and clear to do the same for my child. Now while filling his form, I find it confusing at many places. May be I need to read it more carefully, but I couldn't see which category I've to mark for him in the Section 3 of the form? Is it Tier2? or is it 'Others'? Where do I explain that he is dependent of Tier 2 applicant who is applying for ILR in a separate form? How do they link these two application?

I tried to call them back again. After frustatingly long wait, I managed to get hold of them and aksed them my concerns. The response was not very helpful. All the time they kept on saying that I need to fill another form which is SETO and everything is explained in it. That didn't help me at all.

I'm sure some of you've similar situation like mine. I'd highly appreciate if you could share your experience and advise me the best way to fill up the form for him. If some outstanding members or Guru, or moderator can kindly find a little time, please help. My PEO appointment is in the last week of this month.

With many thanks,
Ashok

[msingh966]

Dear community members,

I came to the UK in 2007 August together with my son and my wife under Work Permit visa. As my son was 15 year old at that time, and he was granted Dependent visa together with my wife. I've switched into Tier 1 general in 2009 and recently again into Tier 2 General. Threre are no breaks in the application and all the time I'm holding the same job in a reputed company. In both switchings, my son has dependant status.

Now is the time to apply for ILR. I've filled up the SET (O) form for myslef and included wife in it. However, as the Guidelines suggests that I may not include any children above 18 old in the same form, I called them and asked which form do I need to fill for him. They advised me to use a separate SET (O) form for him as well.

AT that time I though it would be easy and clear to do the same for my child. Now while filling his form, I find it confusing at many places. May be I need to read it more carefully, but I couldn't see which category I've to mark for him in the Section 3 of the form? Is it Tier2? or is it 'Others'? Where do I explain that he is dependent of Tier 2 applicant who is applying for ILR in a separate form? How do they link these two application?

I tried to call them back again. After frustatingly long wait, I managed to get hold of them and aksed them my concerns. The response was not very helpful. All the time they kept on saying that I need to fill another form which is SETO and everything is explained in it. That didn't help me at all.

I'm sure some of you've similar situation like mine. I'd highly appreciate if you could share your experience and advise me the best way to fill up the form for him. If some outstanding members or Guru, or moderator can kindly find a little time, please help. My PEO appointment is in the last week of this month.

With many thanks,
Ashok

Ashok,
You are in the same boat as I am. The only difference is that I am on 5 year long work permit. I have an appointment on Aug 13. I am choosing 'OTHERS' Category and explaining the detail as: ABOVE 18 YEARS OLD DEPENDENT SON OF WORK PERMIT HOLDER'.
I came to UK in September, so I would like to hear your experience if your appointment is before mine unless you are applying by post. If somehow you are applying after my application, I shall update you with my experience. I understand this is not the exact answer you are looking for but I am sure some senior member will guide us. All the best for your application. Make sure you complete the new form issued today.

[Ashokbrt]

Thanks for responding. This forum is amazing. It is not only because of the relief you get reading these posts and personal responses like yours, but also because of the feeling that you're a part of a community who are providing immense support to others without selfinterest. It is alive purely because of people sharing their knowledge and experience to help others.

Now, coming back to your suggestion. I'll tick the 'Others' category and explain that he is a dependent of Tier 2 General who is also applying together in a separate form. I've got the PEO at the end of this month, and definitely share my experience with you and others in the forum.

Oh, yes, thanks for letting me know that they have released new forms today. It is pity that I need to fill it again one more time, meaning a good couple of hours again. Although I believe there may not be any major changes compared to the previous one, I need to go through every lines one more time just to make sure I don't miss it when it matters the most.

Best of luck to both of us!
Cheers,
Ashok

[msingh966]

Thanks for responding. This forum is amazing. It is not only because of the relief you get reading these posts and personal responses like yours, but also because of the feeling that you're a part of a community who are providing immense support to others without selfinterest. It is alive purely because of people sharing their knowledge and experience to help others.

Now, coming back to your suggestion. I'll tick the 'Others' category and explain that he is a dependent of Tier 2 General who is also applying together in a separate form. I've got the PEO at the end of this month, and definitely share my experience with you and others in the forum.

Oh, yes, thanks for letting me know that they have released new forms today. It is pity that I need to fill it again one more time, meaning a good couple of hours again. Although I believe there may not be any major changes compared to the previous one, I need to go through every lines one more time just to make sure I don't miss it when it matters the most.

Best of luck to both of us!
Cheers,
Ashok

Hi Ashok,
In the SET-O form released on 9th july there was an error on page 7. UKBA realised it and replaced it. So if you downloaded application between 9 and 11 july, make sure you replace page-7. I downloaded the complete form again and filled in. I don't want to take chance or any other changes in other page though I could not find any other than page-7.

[Ashokbrt]

Thanks MSingh966,

Did noticed that earlier and was not worried much for that part though. As the new document is already there, I extracted page 7 and inserted into the earlier file and filled only this bit again. I'm filling the forms electronically, and that saves a lot of time writting manually.

Yes, I've compared the two pdfs and found no difference at all, except this one at page 7.

In the quest of being perfect, I'm losing patience now. I'll keep my fingers off for a week or two from this.

Best,
Ashok

[rollie]

Thanks MSingh966,

Did noticed that earlier and was not worried much for that part though. As the new document is already there, I extracted page 7 and inserted into the earlier file and filled only this bit again. I'm filling the forms electronically, and that saves a lot of time writting manually.

Yes, I've compared the two pdfs and found no difference at all, except this one at page 7.

In the quest of being perfect, I'm losing patience now. I'll keep my fingers off for a week or two from this.

Best,
Ashok

Hi,

I am in a similar situation with 2 over-18 girls. My appointment is in August.

For Section 3, Which Category, I am planning to put 'Others' as well. Could I ask what you will be putting in the box under the following:
If you have ticked the other purposes or reasons category, please explain briefly why you are applying for indefinite leave to remain in the UK. You will also need to provide a letter explaining in more detail why you are applying.

Will your dependent be providing a letter too and what should be in there?

Thanks very much for reading and appreciate any support possible.

Regards,
R

[Ashokbrt]

Hi,

I am in a similar situation with 2 over-18 girls. My appointment is in August.

For Section 3, Which Category, I am planning to put 'Others' as well. Could I ask what you will be putting in the box under the following:
If you have ticked the other purposes or reasons category, please explain briefly why you are applying for indefinite leave to remain in the UK. You will also need to provide a letter explaining in more detail why you are applying.

Will your dependent be providing a letter too and what should be in there?

Thanks very much for reading and appreciate any support possible.

Regards,
R

Rollie,

I've had only two lines in that box: "As I'm over 18 yr old now, I need to fill a separate form for ILR application as per the guidelines. As I've been living with my family as a dependant since they arrived in the UK nearly five years back, and I do not have independent life. Most importantly I want to live with my family and maintain my family integrity."

I think that should work. When is your appointment in August? It would be great if you could share your PEO experience with us. Best of luck.
Cheers,
Ashok

[rollie]

Hi again.

Thanks for the responses. My appointments are on the 9th of August. I will tell you how I get on.

One more question:
Did you and your dependents do the Life in the UK test as well? I am slightly confused if that is required for dependents who came in before 18 years of age and are now above 18 years.

Thanks,
R

[msingh966]

Hi again.

Thanks for the responses. My appointments are on the 9th of August. I will tell you how I get on.

One more question:
Did you and your dependents do the Life in the UK test as well? I am slightly confused if that is required for dependents who came in before 18 years of age and are now above 18 years.

Thanks,
R

Hi Rollie,
All the best for your ILR application. My appointment is on 13th August so I am sure I will get your experience posted here and will get befitted. Coming back to your question: Yes ! any person above 18 years old have to pass the life in UK test or ESOL unless he/she medically not able to do so. To share few more information:
I discussed the category 'OTHERS' with UKBA over phone. They confirmed that the OTHERS category is correct for adult dependent. In the field below explain : DEPENDENT OF WORK PERMIT HOLDER.
You will also have to book second appointment for the adult dependent. In case of your two adult daughter you will need two separate appointments for them. It means you will have to book one for you and below 18 dependents with your wife. Two for daughters. I hope you have done it already. For those, who have not done it yet, it is very difficult to have 3 continuous appointments so try as close as possible keep main applicant as the first in row. Once The main applicant is called in, ask the case worker that you have two dependent daughters turned above 18 while living in UK. The CW will be kind enough to treat all applications as a family and will update their system so that your daughters do not get another call from the speakers in ceiling. All the best. Come back with ILR approval letter, post your experience and help the community. Don't be nervous I am sure you will come back with a smile on your face.
I am also copying my two letters suggested by one of solicitor

LETTER FROM FATHER

My Address

August 13, 2012.



To
The immigration officer,
UKBA
Coryton, UK.


Subject: Sponsorship for my Daughter (her Name)


Dear Sir/Madam,

My daughter (full name) is completely dependent on myself. I am taking care of her along with other family members without recourse of public funds. She is pursuing her full time education at xyz address college/university.

I further declare that she has no earning and no independent life so far hence fully dependent on parents. Kindly grant her ‘Indefinite Leave to Remain’ with the family so that she can continue her education and remain unite with the family until she achieve her goals in life.

I have attached copies my bank statements and pay slips for your kind consideration.




My Name
Coryton, UK


LETTER FROM DAUGHTER










Same address as parents

August 13, 2012.

To
The Immigration Officer,
UKBA
Coryton, UK

Dear sir/Madam,

I am 20 years old fulltime student at xyz college/univercity address. I am fully dependent on my parents. I have no earning and no independent life so far.

I moved to UK with my parents in 2007 and wish to live with my family until I complete my education and start my independent life.

I am very thankful to my parents for supporting me in growing up and my all the needs in life.

Kindly grant me ‘Indefinite Leave to Remain’ with my family.

My Father’s financial documents are attached for your kind consideration.


Thanking you,


Sincerely yours.



Applicant son/daughter

[rollie]

Thanks very much.

Yes, I have 3 consecutive appointments for all of us.

Will keep you informed.

Regards,
R

[Ashokbrt]

Dear both,

Thanks for bringing this up. I thought I'll get away with the two lines in his application. But, having seen the example from Msingh, I'm going to prepare the same for my son as well.

Many thanks Msingh for sharing your knowledge here. It is really helpful.

Regards,
Ashok

[Ashokbrt]

Ground floor:
5 mins for security check etc.
5 more minutes for the appointment confirmation and collection of ticket numbers. Got two ticket numbers, one for us and one for son.

Went to the first floor. The ticket would have a note about which floor you need to visit.

Directed to a counter to the finance counter for the payment. 5 mins. Two separate payments using credit and debit cards.

Asked to wait for the number to be called. Waited for about 20 mins and got the call for my number. I explained that I've two tickets and need to be considered both the applications at the same time. Apparently the lady was not familiar with that kind of situation, a big surprise for me.

Then another call for my son's number. he had to go to a separate counter. There he explained our situation and said that his parents applications is being processed in another window, whereas he thought that both should be treated at the same time. She immediately understood the situation and came to our window and explained that to the lady in our window. First there was a hesitation, then a bit more of arguments (internally, not with us), then both went inside to see (I assume) some senior officer. The big boss, came and looked at the both the SET-O forms and said that it needs to be one case worker and asked our less experienced lady to register all of us under one case worker and mark them as case A and Case b. 20 mins for the whole process.

Asked to go to the far end for the biometric and wait for the call, now a single number for all of us. The biometric was done in less than 10 mins. but needed to wait for about another 10 mins before called for that.

Then their IT system failed at about 10:30 am. Annoncement followed by a long wait. At 12:30 they started calling names, manually. Seemingly ,the system was not seemingly working well.

We're erased from their number system as a result of the IT failure. People we had biometrics after us were being called to see thier case worker, but not a few of us. My son went to complain at the customer window. Then two people came outside and started to compile numbers who were left out from the Q.

In five minutes, a call for 3 numbers to the same window at the same time. I was the first to get there as I was, luckly sitting infront of the same window. That was not the normal window where you see the case worker assigend to you. It was the 'Customer Service Window'. I was asked to hand over my application, then asked for supporting documents and finally my passports and BRP. She didn't even asked what I have in those two set of files. So, I didn't know exactly whether I've submitted all the documets needed or not. Two more applicants followed. All went into a heap of paper in her desk. She then asked us to come back in 2 hours time and asked to switch on our mobiles in case they need to contact. Went out of the PEO at 13 hrs.

Came back at 15:00 hrs, straight to the customer service desk, told that it is being processed. In half an our time the final call came and asked to see a big fat guy in yet another window. He spoke to the window and thought that we could understand his lips. I let him speak in his pace. I was not worried because of two reasons. First, I was not called to explain anything in he whole process. second, the decision letter was already visible from the passports in his table. So a decision had been taken which couldn't be otherwise as we're not contacted for any additional explanation or whatsoever.

He was explaining about the BRP thing and when I might get it and what needs to be done in various scenarios, but my thoughts were not consistent then as that is when I felt a huge burden off my shoulder!!!

Just to let you know that with the help of the experience from this forum, I've organised my application such that I got applauded twice for the effort. The lady at the registration said that she had for the first time seen such an application (she only looked at the appointment letter and the application pack). The lady at the customer window said that the whole documents (though she didn't even check what is inside) is well organised (A sticky on each paper sets, with a complete photocopy of that in the same order in a separate file, again with similar sticky per set of papers).

As I didn't have any issue, I have less to share to help you guys. But I'm more than happy to feed back if you'd like to know more about any of the processes that I went through yesterday.

Cheers,
Ashok

[rollie]

Hi Ashkobrt,

Congratulations!! Which PEO did you go to?
If you don't mind, could you share with me what were the documents you had in your file?

Thanks,
R

[Ashokbrt]

Hi Ashkobrt,

Congratulations!! Which PEO did you go to?
If you don't mind, could you share with me what were the documents you had in your file?

Thanks,
R

Thanks Rollie. I was in Croydon yesterday. For details of the documents, please see the thread:

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=110309

When is your appointment? Wish you all the best.

Cheers,
Ashok

[rollie]

Hi,

Thought I would share my experience during my appointment last Thursday at Solihull.
First of all thanks to everyone for contributing valuable information to this forum. It has been most useful.

HSMP visa for 2 years
FLR through Tier 1 from 2009 till now.
Same employer through out.
Have 2 dependants who both entered at the same time as I did. They were then under 18. Now they are both in Uni and over 18.

Booked three appointments through phoning in – 12 noon, 12:30 and 1 pm (myself and 2 over 18 dependents)
Arrived around 11 am.
Went through security check & confirmation of appointments – had to correct the spelling of all our names. Probably as the appointments were booked over the telephone and there must have been some difficulty with foreign names, as there was an extra letter to each of our names J

Went to sit down at the waiting area and received my ticket around 11:10 am.
Called in at around 11:20 for the interview.
Went with my 2 dependents but he only wanted to see me and asked the 2 to wait outside. He wanted to review my case first to approve before proceeding with my dependents (makes sense).

He requested for application form, passport & photocopies, 12 months payslips and bank statements to support the payslips, Life in the UK test cert, photos.
He reviewed them and then directed me to the payment counter.
Paid at 11:49 am with my credit card.

Went back out to wait for biometrics.
Called in – some quick verification – name and date of birth, then she took my fingerprints, thumbprints & photos.
All completed by 12:10 pm. – pretty impressive considering my appointment was at 12 noon,

Came out and realized my first dependent had been called in, so I went to look for her as I had to pay for her too.
She was asked for her application form, passport & photocopies, photos and 3 documents for proof of address (to demonstrate she lives with me).
Provided a letter from the University (addressed to our home), her college account statements & an older bank statement (as he requested a proof from around March 2011).
That was all.
Paid for her at 12:18 pm and then went back to wait for her biometrics.

Then the system came crashing down.
They were very nice and updated us as much as they could.
They tried very hard to complete my dependent’s biometrics but not much they could do.

My 2nd dependent was given her ticket at 12:32.
Called in shortly after – went with her and he requested for similar items – application form, passports & photocopies, photos and 3 documents for proof of address (to demonstrate she lives with me). Provided a letter from University and 2 bank statements – one current and one from March 2011.
He tried to check as much as he could with the system restriction.
Paid for her at 1:06 pm and then went back to wait for the biometrics.

Interesting to note that neither dependent was asked for their Life in the UK cert.

With the system down, we were told that we could go out and check back in about an hour later. We left all our bags with our documents at the front desk (too heavy to carry around) and my mobile no. in case they needed to contact us.

Went to the shopping area for lunch and just as the food arrived, I received a call from the PEO to say that the system was up and we could come back in to continue.
I asked for half an hour to finish our lunch and he was very apologetic and said to come back when we were ready.

Went back around 2-ish and waited for the biometrics for my 2 dependents.

My number was called shortly and received a letter explaining the BRP.

Dependents called in for their biometrics around the same time and after that we went out again, leaving our bags behind again.

Went back to the PEO just before 4 and dependent #1 received her letter.
Went to the seating area to wait for dependent #2’s letter.

There was 1 typo error in the address of dependent’s letter and they altered it.
Left the office around 4:15 pm.

There was not many people at the Solihull PEO. Seem to be more staff than applicants. The staff were all very friendly and it felt like we were leaving friends when we finally left.

Do let me know if you need more info.
Waiting to receive our BRP now.

Good Luck to all.

Rollie

[longhorn1]

Hi again.

Thanks for the responses. My appointments are on the 9th of August. I will tell you how I get on.

One more question:
Did you and your dependents do the Life in the UK test as well? I am slightly confused if that is required for dependents who came in before 18 years of age and are now above 18 years.

Thanks,
R

Hi Rollie,
All the best for your ILR application. My appointment is on 13th August so I am sure I will get your experience posted here and will get befitted. Coming back to your question: Yes ! any person above 18 years old have to pass the life in UK test or ESOL unless he/she medically not able to do so. To share few more information:
I discussed the category 'OTHERS' with UKBA over phone. They confirmed that the OTHERS category is correct for adult dependent. In the field below explain : DEPENDENT OF WORK PERMIT HOLDER.
You will also have to book second appointment for the adult dependent. In case of your two adult daughter you will need two separate appointments for them. It means you will have to book one for you and below 18 dependents with your wife. Two for daughters. I hope you have done it already. For those, who have not done it yet, it is very difficult to have 3 continuous appointments so try as close as possible keep main applicant as the first in row. Once The main applicant is called in, ask the case worker that you have two dependent daughters turned above 18 while living in UK. The CW will be kind enough to treat all applications as a family and will update their system so that your daughters do not get another call from the speakers in ceiling. All the best. Come back with ILR approval letter, post your experience and help the community. Don't be nervous I am sure you will come back with a smile on your face.
I am also copying my two letters suggested by one of solicitor

LETTER FROM FATHER

My Address

August 13, 2012.



To
The immigration officer,
UKBA
Coryton, UK.


Subject: Sponsorship for my Daughter (her Name)


Dear Sir/Madam,

My daughter (full name) is completely dependent on myself. I am taking care of her along with other family members without recourse of public funds. She is pursuing her full time education at xyz address college/university.

I further declare that she has no earning and no independent life so far hence fully dependent on parents. Kindly grant her ‘Indefinite Leave to Remain’ with the family so that she can continue her education and remain unite with the family until she achieve her goals in life.

I have attached copies my bank statements and pay slips for your kind consideration.




My Name
Coryton, UK


LETTER FROM DAUGHTER










Same address as parents

August 13, 2012.

To
The Immigration Officer,
UKBA
Coryton, UK

Dear sir/Madam,

I am 20 years old fulltime student at xyz college/univercity address. I am fully dependent on my parents. I have no earning and no independent life so far.

I moved to UK with my parents in 2007 and wish to live with my family until I complete my education and start my independent life.

I am very thankful to my parents for supporting me in growing up and my all the needs in life.

Kindly grant me ‘Indefinite Leave to Remain’ with my family.

My Father’s financial documents are attached for your kind consideration.


Thanking you,


Sincerely yours.



Applicant son/daughter

Rollie,
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am just getting to see your post as I am in a similar situation with 2 over 18 daughters.
The confusion I have is, they are both in Uni but do undertake some part time work. Do I need to declare their earnings in addition to the cover letter I provide.

Cheers,

Longhorn1

[rollie]

Rollie,
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am just getting to see your post as I am in a similar situation with 2 over 18 daughters.
The confusion I have is, they are both in Uni but do undertake some part time work. Do I need to declare their earnings in addition to the cover letter I provide.

Cheers,

Longhorn1

Hi,

I am sorry but I am not familiar in this situation. You may want to check with others. I believe there are some posts on part time earnings.
Regards,
R

[raghavsey]

Hi,
I was hoping some of the members on this forum could advice me on my situation.

I am currently on a PBS Dependent Visa and came to UK in 2009 with my
father who is on a Tier 1 General Visa and we wish to apply for our
Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) in June 2014.


I have just finished my Masters degree in Engineering at Newcastle
University and I am planning to start working full-time for a company
near London.

I was concerned that though my current visa says I am permitted to
work, however the ‘Settlement applications by your dependent’ page on
UKBA website mentions that the dependent ‘should not be leading an
independent life’.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas ... ependants/

I wanted to ask would my living away from home, working full-time and
earning a salary would affect my eligibility when applying for ILR
along with my father.

Your advice on the matter will be much appreciated!

[rollie]

Hi,
I was hoping some of the members on this forum could advice me on my situation.

I am currently on a PBS Dependent Visa and came to UK in 2009 with my
father who is on a Tier 1 General Visa and we wish to apply for our
Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) in June 2014.


I have just finished my Masters degree in Engineering at Newcastle
University and I am planning to start working full-time for a company
near London.

I was concerned that though my current visa says I am permitted to
work, however the ‘Settlement applications by your dependent’ page on
UKBA website mentions that the dependent ‘should not be leading an
independent life’.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas ... ependants/

I wanted to ask would my living away from home, working full-time and
earning a salary would affect my eligibility when applying for ILR
along with my father.

Your advice on the matter will be much appreciated!

Hi,

I am no expert but it sounds like you would be leading an indpendent life once you start working unless the salary is not sustainable.
In my case, both children are still very dependent on me espcially financially.
Good Luck,
R

[jjrajesh]

Hi,

Then what is the option for Mr. Raghavsey? How can he apply for ILR if he is considered an idependent?

What is the remedy for a child who turns 18, gets an apprenticeship and starts working full time but facing the prospect of separation from the parents at the time of visa extention as he will be considered leading an independent life.

There is a major flaw in the rules.

I would request experts to comment on this issue and come out with valid suggestions.

[raghavsey]

Bump

anyone got any opinions on the matter?