rajm2012 wrote:
Hi again! You're welcome. Yes, the graduate level job has to be in the business that YOU set up. You cannot work for others.
The "charity manager" job position might be there in the list but mind you, this list was developed for Tier 2 by the UKBA. Under Tier 2, you get sponsored by an organisation (be it profit-making organisation or non-profit organisation) and they get you the work visa. Under this category, as long as you are getting paid, it doesn't matter if it's a commercial organisation or a non-profit organisation. For Tier 1 (Entrepreneur), we are meant to be referring to the same list but I guess this is where we get stuck. However, I would go with my common sense and assume that you cannot get an ENTREPRENEUR visa with a charitable organisation. I mean it just defeats the purpose of this kind of visa.
Yes, you can take over an existing business or start up a completely new business. However, please think about the kind of business you will take over or set up. As they have mentioned in their policy guidance, you cannot just buy a taxi firm, give yourself the job of Finance Director and get the visa. They will take into consideration the main business activity of your business. In the case of a taxi firm, the main business activity is driving the taxi, which does not qualify for a graduate level occupation. So you have to be very careful in choosing your business. Say for example you open up a company that does web-designing, etc and you assign yourself the post of Web Designer, then this is okay..you are likely to get visa with this one.
Yes, if you invest 20K initially, that is counted towards your 50K investment over 3 years. And if you invest this amount before applying for your visa, you can show proofs of this investment and then you only have to show access to the remaning 30K.
Kayani2012 said it's NQF level 4 or above. He/she is right. However, they changed the rules for Tier 2. They changed it from NQF level 4 to NQF level 6 for Tier 2 applicants giving the reason that a graduate level occupation is actually NQF level 6 and not 4. So just to be on the safe side, I would go for something which is NQF level 6.
Hi rajm2012. Thank you for the detailed reply, was very helpful.
Sorry that would be a somewhat long message! Might hv a cup of hot tea in this colder than usual eve
I have just re-read the whole guidance doc, so can have more factual ref.
1. I agree that we are here to make business and money for the UK and people of the UK, in this sense we are different from sponsored Tier 2 guys.
Also refering to an earlier point with working for charity. As it is a charity that I set up with friends (which is allowed on PSW) (for our real cultural purpose and we are working on obtaining funds FOR running the events and school in the future etc. (not moneys for myself of course, it is not allowed on PSW). So, you are right to point that on PSW i can have no employment other than business(es) YOU establish, join of take over (so i guess i can still resume being on board of my charity and do the job - as it is my own on parity with others). Is it logical you think? It is important for me to be sure - a lot of effert invested and more to go (hopefully!)
2. Now - about the Grad. lvl occup-n
For the Section 55 (4) - "in an occupation skilled to graduate level"
- we wont take into account the tasks involved with the running (admin?) of the business - but isn't naming oneself a marketing/commercial/events manager in own company the very same thing? (i understand with comparison with cabbie and coder - the difference is clear - one is skilled to Grad the other is not, but both are within the company tasks - but i agree not quite administrative, like boring payrolls management).
For the Section 122, 123
- "You must show that you have been engaged in business activity, other than the work necess. to admin your business" and "you must provide a job title on the list". That can be any role outside business - that is what i was telling you BEFORE i paid more attention to (which is still ambiguous to some extend to me) :
Section 124 (which is a PART of "Evidence of grad. lvl. occupn Req.).
Docs to confirm business activity:
- Ads or marketing materls with my + my companys name.
- Article showing my name (and the name of other business if applicable) together with the business acctivity. - well that is key here. I have an article in the newspaper that has my picture, name and name of the charity organisation, saying that we organised an event and managed a lot with it (this doesnt relate to the business i want to buy or set up, but clearly that is fulfilling the graduate ocupation requirement?)
Section 125 - contract showing trading - that would be for the business that is within last 3 months before application - that is easy.
So, isnt that the working combination of charity + the newly acquired business? I am waiting to hear your opinion
3. Now, about the funds invested before application.
Am i correct to assume that the guidence gives us the period up to 12months which we can concider to deduct from 50k, and it can be absolutely any business activity? It seems so. Not in the last 3 months.
4. Also, do I have to rent an office for the business, or can just have it registered to my, say, residential address (with me being landlord ok with it) ?
5. in Section 36 and 55, 56 - access to YOUR own 50,000.
- But i see I can have a partner Section 37, 58. (is it exactly 25/25k each needed to be?)
- Can I use for this route not MY own 50k, but also 3rd party's moneys? (of course with all supporting docs etc.). It is not very clear.
Many thanks for reading my thoughts!
Would be interesting and useful to know your opinions and hear your advices at least on smth, very useful for all of us!
Have a good time!
SR
