HSMP and TWES

[siyamed]

Hi Guys,

I have been searching for this question but couldnt find an answer.

"Can a Person apply for HSMP after he had 1 year TWES in UK??"

as you know you have to stay outside UK for the same time in order to be able to get a work permit. but what about HSMP??

and another question;

I am an Electronic engineer who has just graduated. as i searched from the web and homeoffice, the duration of TWES can be up to 5 years. is this information correct???

Thanks for your help.
Siyamed

[Chess]

"Can a Person apply for HSMP after he had 1 year TWES in UK??"

No. HSMP is a Category Leading to settlement and it is clear from the TWES rules that you MUST return to your home country after training

as you know you have to stay outside UK for the same time in order to be able to get a work permit. but what about HSMP??

Yes, you have to be outside the UK to satisfy the requirements of your TWES scheme...

I am an Electronic engineer who has just graduated. as i searched from the web and homeoffice, the duration of TWES can be up to 5 years. is this information correct???

I have never come accross anyone on a TWES scheme for 5 years...when will your home country benefit from your training? (next decade??) in any case if you have been in the UK as a student for say 4/5 years and you are granted a TWES..then you will be well on your way to meeting the "10 year legal stay" requirement.


Surely, I dont think that you will be able to satify the HSMP rules (earnings education and work experience), if you have just graduated.



You need to confirm where you are currently based UK or Turkey??

If you have just graduated in the UK (I am quite surprised that courses now end in March????)
Your best approach would be to get a job and work for one year (new rules) starting this summer - assuming your visa is valid till then..

Good Luck

[siyamed]

No. HSMP is a Category Leading to settlement and it is clear from the TWES rules that you MUST return to your home country after training

After returning to home country, can i apply for hsmp??

I have never come accross anyone on a TWES scheme for 5 years...when will your home country benefit from your training? (next decade??) in any case if you have been in the UK as a student for say 4/5 years and you are granted a TWES..then you will be well on your way to meeting the "10 year legal stay" requirement.

in this address;
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/workin ... or_a.html?

it says that "We will normally issue the permit for the average time expected to complete the training up to a period of five years (we may limit the length of approval for new employers who have not been able to provide us with enough of the information detailed in 'Establishing your company'). If a permit is required for over five years, you will need to apply for an extension and we will expect the individual to have taken any exams at the earliest possible sitting."

whats your idea about this??

Surely, I dont think that you will be able to satify the HSMP rules (earnings education and work experience), if you have just graduated.

I live in turkey, i just graduated but i was working fulltime in a company for 16 months. thats why i need 1 more year to work for HSMP.

Your best approach would be to get a job and work for one year (new rules) starting this summer - assuming your visa is valid till then..

what are these new rules? can you give more information about it or a website that has the information??

My main reason to come to uk is to have a masters degree. and as i searched so far, even when you finish masters, you will need a work permit to work. is this information true?

[Chess]

Siyamed,

You can accumulate the required 2 years of experience..etc, and make sure you keep all your pay slips - assuming you 'meet' the earning power/requirements for Turkey.

You can then do an MSc in the UK and then apply for your HSMP after graduating.

The new rules regarding engineering graduates are not yet published

http://www.workpermit.com/news/uk_foreign_students.htm

[siyamed]

Dear Chess,

The only reason that i am insisting on HSMP after TWES is that i have a job offer in UK. But the company doesnt want to apply for a Work Permit because of the company policy.

So the only way that i can get this job is to arrange a work permit by myself. which can be by HSMP. you know that Education is very expensive for foreigners and i need this job to be able to finance my MSc degree.

Are you sure about the question "HSMP after TWES"???

do you know about examples that failed or succeeded??

Btw Thank you very much for your help...
Siyamed

[Chess]

The only reason that i am insisting on HSMP after TWES is that i have a job offer in UK. But the company doesnt want to apply for a Work Permit because of the company policy.

Company is not willing to apply for workpermit - but may apply for TWES???

So the only way that i can get this job is to arrange a work permit by myself. which can be by HSMP. you know that Education is very expensive for foreigners and i need this job to be able to finance my MSc degree.

Your scenario is very confusing; HSMP, TWES, MSc... Yes I agree that studying is very expensive, however if you stayed in Turkey and completed your employment and met the HSMP criteria - then that would be the best option

Are you sure about the question "HSMP after TWES"???

What is the ethos of TWES? - return to home country and pass on your skills.

What is the ethos of HSMP? - Migrate to the UK so that the UK economy benefits from your skills..

The two schemes are mutually exclusive.

Btw Thank you very much for your help...

My pleasure

[siyamed]

Company is not willing to apply for workpermit - but may apply for TWES???

Thats right, they were ready to aplly for TWES but when i mentioned the return to home country problem they changed their mind.

What about switching to WP when you have TWES. in what conditions is this possible? i heard some people doing this....

Thx

[Chess]

Thats right, they were ready to aplly for TWES but when i mentioned the return to home country problem they changed their mind.

So they are not willing to apply for TWES and WP..so your only option now is HSMP as University fees are very exhobitant....so you should be aiming for this route

What about switching to WP when you have TWES. in what conditions is this possible? i heard some people doing this....

Now this scenario is irrelevant as the company is not willing to apply for TWES or WP.

If I recall correctly, I read on the 'old forum' that some people managed to change from TWES to WP, but I dont recall the circumstances.

BTW, dont forget that Immigration rules change by the day almost..so first things first!!

[siyamed]

Dear Chess,

Lets imagine, A guy had TWES in UK for 1 year. and just after then he applied to Masters for 1 year. (He could have gone back to home country to apply for a student visa.)

according to you, This person cannot apply for the Masters. he has to go back to his home country and spend 1 year there. and after 1 year, he can apply for the Masters.

As i understand you think like this. Am I right??

[Chess]

Lets imagine, A guy had TWES in UK for 1 year. and just after then he applied to Masters for 1 year. (He could have gone back to home country to apply for a student visa.)

If the application was in-country, HO would not accept someone to switch from TWES to student. If the 'guy' goes back home and tries to apply for a student visa - then the ECO will see the TWES visa in the ppt, and will therefore not grant a student Visa until such a time when you have met the requirements of the previous Visa

according to you,

I don't set the rules - It is my interpretaion of the rules - I hope that helps, and you have now got a clearer picture of what you want/will get..TWES, HSMP or studies for your MSc.

Good Luck

[siyamed]

Hi Guys,

here is what i have got from WP Customer Relationsright now...,

Dear S. Tanhan

Thank you for your email which was received 25/03/04

TWES permits are issued on the clear understanding that the individual will return overseas at the end of the agreed period. Normally, they will not be allowed to transfer to Work Permit employment in this country. People issued with TWES permits for less than 12 months are expected to return overseas to put the skills learnt to use for at least 12 months before returning to work in this country. People issued with TWES permits for more than 12 months are expected to return overseas for at least 24 months.

However,

Each application we receive is assessed on its own merits by caseworkers who consider all the supporting evidence supplied. As such the general enquiry team are unable to provide any pre-assessments of individual HSMP applications and related criteria queries. We advise that applicants make full use of the guidance notes and other information available (e.g.
websites) when addressing the questions on the application form in order to provide as much relevant information as they can. This will enable the assessment teams to make a prompt decision.

I hope this is helpful.


Work Permit, Customer Relations

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Siyamed TANHAN [SMTP:stanhan@cizgi.com.tr]
> Sent: 26 March 2004 14:41
> To: wpcustomers@ind.homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
> Subject: A question...
>
> Hello,
>
> i am having a research about UK workPermits but couldnt find an
> answer....
>
> * Can i apply for HSMP, after i had a TWES work permit for 7 months??
> I know that i have to wait 7 months to be able to apply for a work
> permit. But HSMP is different. I couldnt find any information about
> this. I mean do i have to wait 7 months before applying for HSMP?
>
> Thanks for your valuable time....

I mixed the 'However...' part. do they leave an open door about this question??

I also need other friends ideas as well as Chess.

Thanks a lot...