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Thanks, I thought it was strange when he said as the visa is free to put in for the schengen visa for the kids too, he suggested that then it would be a simple case of giving all four the visa, I just agreed as I don't want to complicate things, I guess after all our dealings with UKBA we just have visa application phobia lol. Anyway 2 more weeks and all the forms will be submitted. I will keep everyone posted .. thanksEUsmileWEallsmile wrote:Being able to speak French will be a huge asset for you and yours, but will not affect the application.
The British children are not required to have visas (this is forbidden in fact).
You have three months grace before you need to have exercised treaty rights in another EU country (this being a worker, self-sufficient or student).
Well worth reading
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 123:en:PDF
Yes I put in for the kids as he suggested, I guess I just think it is easier to play along, and when I asked him the reason he said it would then be easier leaving Indonesia using the kids Indonesian passports, as it is what they entered on, and would be more straightforward to issue all 4 of them the visa, I also gave them hotel bookings and flight details, also a schengen visa Insurance taken out with AXA, I know that I did not have to include these but am just playing their game, it was only financial details that I never gave. although I know my wife passes the 3 questions in the directive: 1: Is he a family member, 2: does she have a link to an EU citizen and 3: will she be travelling with or to join the EU citizen, I must admit I still feel nervous regarding the outcome.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Did you apply for the children too? Can you ask him why he suggests the children enter on the Indonesian passport?
I suspect he needed to meet a quote to issue more visas, and the kids are easy to justify approvals.
Given the exit controls in Indonesia, and the proclivity of immigration staff to want "facilitation money", this was probably a remarkably enlightened move to suggest issuing the Schengen visa to the children. Wow!kikijon1 wrote:Yes I put in for the kids as he suggested, I guess I just think it is easier to play along, and when I asked him the reason he said it would then be easier leaving Indonesia using the kids Indonesian passports, as it is what they entered on, and would be more straightforward to issue all 4 of them the visa, I also gave them hotel bookings and flight details, also a schengen visa Insurance taken out with AXA, I know that I did not have to include these but am just playing their game, it was only financial details that I never gave. although I know my wife passes the 3 questions in the directive: 1: Is he a family member, 2: does she have a link to an EU citizen and 3: will she be travelling with or to join the EU citizen, I must admit I still feel nervous regarding the outcome.
Do you have experience with this in Indonesia?Jambo wrote:Please note that you can use the Indonesian passport on exit the country and the British ones on entry to France. This is a normal practice of dual nationals. The French immigration would not ask for the exit stamps from Indonesia.
Not with an Indonesian passportDirective/2004/38/EC wrote:Do you have experience with this in Indonesia?
Exactly, this is what I had done before when bringing my children to the UK, I used their Indonesian passports to exit Indonesia and their UK ones to enter the UK, but this is a little different as when I entered Indonesia it was with the Indonesian passport as their UK one does not have a stamp in it, and before we flew to Singapore then to UK, this time it is dubai and then France. and as we will leave with the Indonesian passport it is easier if it has the schengen visa, naturally when entering France it will be with the kids UK passports.Jambo wrote:Not with an Indonesian passportDirective/2004/38/EC wrote:Do you have experience with this in Indonesia?
What I was saying is that even if the children have a schengen visa in their Indonesian passports which will be used to ease them leaving the country, they don't need to use the Indonesian passports to enter France and can use the British one.
It's a normal practice by dual nationals to "swap" passports on the flight. Leaving a country on one, get on a flight and land with a different passport. It's not only spies who do that
I don't see any real difference between then and now. Presumably you did not have UK visas in the children's Indonesian passports when you did that trip.kikijon1 wrote: Exactly, this is what I had done before when bringing my children to the UK, I used their Indonesian passports to exit Indonesia and their UK ones to enter the UK
You are correct, I had no visa in the UK passports when we left Indonesia, as to exit Indonesia I used their Indonesian passports, and flew to Singapore where I used their UK passports, when coming back to Indonesia I used their Indonesian passports to enter Indonesia, so as there is no entry visa in their UK passports I cant use the UK passports to exit Indonesia and so must use the Indonesian passports, they (the flight carrier) and immigration will check to see if there is a visa in the passport before allowing us to proceed from Indonesia. I hope this clears things up a little more.EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:I don't see any real difference between then and now. Presumably you did not have UK visas in the children's Indonesian passports when you did that trip.kikijon1 wrote: Exactly, this is what I had done before when bringing my children to the UK, I used their Indonesian passports to exit Indonesia and their UK ones to enter the UK
Indonesian immigration can be a nightmare, not always but there can be problems, and for each day someone overstays they are charged $US 20.00 per day, if they don't have the funds they cannot leave Indonesia, there are occasions when some immigration officers will go out of their way to look for a problem with the passport or visa's, and will look carefully at every visa ever issued. When booking the flight it is normal here for them to ask for the passport number, so this will need to tie up with the one being produced at immigration, as they seem to ask to see it, not always, it depends on how corrupt the immigration officer is, as any problems can be sorted out by a gift so to speak.EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:I don't know the peculiarities of Indonesian immigration, but for the carrier, they will should only be interested in whether the passenger is documented correctly for entry to their final destination (and any transit points); and they would be given that they have UK passports.
Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Given the exit controls in Indonesia, and the proclivity of immigration staff to want "facilitation money", this was probably a remarkably enlightened move to suggest issuing the Schengen visa to the children. Wow!
I am hoping that as long as all the paperwork is correct then the Indonesian immigration won't give any problems, and should they find one I hope it is inexpensive to fix, but the good thing is that there are no upcoming religious holidays, so less .. gift money .. will be asked for.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Given the exit controls in Indonesia, and the proclivity of immigration staff to want "facilitation money", this was probably a remarkably enlightened move to suggest issuing the Schengen visa to the children. Wow!
Most important is to keep warm. It is winter and the days are short and cold. Spring will come soon.kikijon1 wrote:ok so next week we will sort out the flights and will head for Europe, any suggestions for what I should do when I get there? I mean when do we apply family permit/ resident permit or whatever it is we have to do .. will be once again grateful of any advice.