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EE4 or Naturilization?

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EE4 or Naturilization?

Post by armenak » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:19 pm

Hi guys!!

I need your help. Please help me if you can.

My situation.
I am unmarried partner to EEA.
20/04/2007 EEA2 issued on A4 paper Immigration Status Document with attached Residence Documentation until 20/04/2012.

When I was traveling abroad I was having problems from Immigration officers why HO not attached my RD in my passport.

Applied again for EEA2 and HO issued new RD with 03 MAR 2008 till 03 MAR 2013.

According to last RD, now its my time to apply for EEA4. We are confused what we need to do.

My partner is Estonian (he got his PR EEA3 in 20 JUL 2009).

My questions

1. Can I apply straight for Naturalization (AN), because I already have 2 EEA2? first 2007 (I have color copy of the doc and HO letter) second 2008 (in passport). Is it possible to skip all the EEA4 application hassle?

if no

2. From JAN 2012 he lost his job and he is not working till today. Can this affect my EEA4, even if he got confirmed PR (EEA3) since 2009?

3. Do we still need to proof HO his EEA Treaty Rights after 2009?

4. If I send our 6 years Tenancy Agreement, Council Tax Bills, Utility bills some with his name some with my should be enough?

5. Should I send my P60's, letter and contract from my employee?

6. What document should I send from his side if his PR not enough? We never claim Job Seekers.

7.What other document would you advice us to attach with my application?

Many thanks in advance.

Armenak :)

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Post by Jambo » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:33 pm

1. Yes. In April 2013.
2. No affect.
3. No.
4. Probably enough.
5. No need for your documents.
6. See 4.
7. Check the last page of the application form (form AN).

See also Q1 & Q5 in Citizenship FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting.

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Post by armenak » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:35 am

Hi Jambo!

Many thanks for you quick reply I really appreciate.

Another strange question please, I am sure you are GURU you will know the answer!

Can they argue my 6 years RC? Reason I am asking - my first RC which been issued in 2007 i have to send back HO for the new one. When I send they send me a letter stating TOC not available and I need to make a fresh application, and asked me only to provide last 2 months paperwork only. Within 2 months they send new RC.
Can they say your new one is from 2008 and you are not qualified?


Also could you please tell me - in my first post for the question 4 you sad "Probably enough"? Do you think I need to include more? and what more i should include?
Its seems from this forum i learned lots of guys telling don't include lots a paperwork, make easy for caseworker. To be honest i don't want to be turned down for my naturalization.

Many thanks for your help.
Armenak

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Post by nidaulhaque » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:40 am

IT DOES NOT MATTER ABOUT 2ND RC. THEY CANT SAY THIS AT ALL DONT WORRY.

ABOUT YOUR QUESTION 4 IT WILL BE MORE THEN ENOUGH DOCUMENTS.

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Post by Jambo » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:20 am

armenak wrote: Can they argue my 6 years RC? Reason I am asking - my first RC which been issued in 2007 i have to send back HO for the new one. When I send they send me a letter stating TOC not available and I need to make a fresh application, and asked me only to provide last 2 months paperwork only. Within 2 months they send new RC.
Can they say your new one is from 2008 and you are not qualified?
No. Once they have recognised your relationship (in 2007), you are considered a family member. It doesn't matter if you had another RC later on.
Also could you please tell me - in my first post for the question 4 you sad "Probably enough"? Do you think I need to include more? and what more i should include?
Its seems from this forum i learned lots of guys telling don't include lots a paperwork, make easy for caseworker. To be honest i don't want to be turned down for my naturalization.
Then I suggest you apply first for PR Confirmation using form EEA4. That would reduce the risk of losing the £851 fee for naturalisation.

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Post by armenak » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:32 pm

Guys many many thanks for your HELP!

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Post by Obie » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:46 pm

The position of your case is not as simple as a married case, where you will be required to show you were married to an EEA national.

For durable partners, they have to show they continued to meet the conditions of Regulation 8(5) during the currency of their Residence card, to be qualified under regulayion 7(3) and hence Regulation 15(1b) for a Permanent Residence Cards.

Notwithstanding the fact that the UKBA had initially done this assessment and granted you a residence card, the Citizenship checking service or the Naturalisation Section of the HO, may not be trained to do this. Therefore you may be told to apply first for this confirmation of PR.
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