Application reference - DEEA

[tiredmum]

Hello, just wanting to know what DEEA on application number means. My son's application was sent to EU Treaty dept but was redirected to General Immigration. Got a letter today with reference number above. Thanks for replying

[tiredmum]

I am trying to find out if anyone else has had this experience before. I applied for a stamp 4 for my son who is on stamp 3 at present. The EU treaty dept. says that because i am an Irish National, EU directive does not apply to him. They have sent his documents to General Immigration. Has anyone been through this process and what was the outcome of the application. What stamp or decision was granted?

[Babz]

I am trying to find out if anyone else has had this experience before. I applied for a stamp 4 for my son who is on stamp 3 at present. The EU treaty dept. says that because i am an Irish National, EU directive does not apply to him. They have sent his documents to General Immigration. Has anyone been through this process and what was the outcome of the application. What stamp or decision was granted?

If you are an Irish national,why did you apply for stamp 4 for son.
Pls kindly answer the following question:

Are you a naturalized Irish national?
On what basis was your son granted stamp 3?
How old is your son and how long has he been in Ireland for?

Thanks

[tiredmum]

Thank you for your reply.
My son came to Ireland when he was 14. He was given a GNIB card when he was 16, on a stamp 2. Then when he finished school, he was given a stamp 3. I was naturalised in 2010, so he is classed as my dependent. My son is now 21 and still on stamp 3.
He is from a non EEA country.

[Babz]

Thank you for your reply.
My son came to Ireland when he was 14. He was given a GNIB card when he was 16, on a stamp 2. Then when he finished school, he was given a stamp 3. I was naturalised in 2010, so he is classed as my dependent. My son is now 21 and still on stamp 3.
He is from a non EEA country.

If you naturalized in 2010,I believe your son should have applied for naturalization after you were granted provided he has "3 or more years residence in the State prior to the date of application." Do you want to check the form below?

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Form%209 ... 02013).pdf

[IntegratedMigrant]

Thank you for your reply.
My son came to Ireland when he was 14. He was given a GNIB card when he was 16, on a stamp 2. Then when he finished school, he was given a stamp 3. I was naturalised in 2010, so he is classed as my dependent. My son is now 21 and still on stamp 3.
He is from a non EEA country.

Your son should apply for naturalisation. He is eligible to apply and more likely to be granted.

[tiredmum]

He cannot apply for naturalisation due to a conviction. It was minor, but its still a conviction. He was never in trouble before and has not been in trouble since. It would count against him, so we are trying to get a stamp 4 for him.

[IntegratedMigrant]

He cannot apply for naturalisation due to a conviction. It was minor, but its still a conviction. He was never in trouble before and has not been in trouble since. It would count against him, so we are trying to get a stamp 4 for him.

What?! He cannot apply for a naturalisation due to a conviction? Says who?

As far as im concern and like I said, he is eligible to apply for naturalisation. Now depending on the nature of his conviction, his application may be granted or denied!.

Its good that you mention he was a minor at the time of his conviction and that he hasn't committed any offense yet. Most convictions are waived when applying for naturalisation.

Could you tell me the offense/crime that he committed? I can be able to tell you if his citizenship will be granted or not based on personal experience.

[tiredmum]

He assaulted someone. He was protecting himself from a drunk, but the garda charged him because there was no witness to defend him.

[tiredmum]

Both my son and the drunk were charged with public disturbance and was given community service. It was a minor offence according to the judge, but he had to learn to respect the law just like everyone else. Hence the conviction. I just hope INIS will see it as a minor conviction and forgive him for his stupidity.

[Babz]

He cannot apply for naturalisation due to a conviction. It was minor, but its still a conviction. He was never in trouble before and has not been in trouble since. It would count against him, so we are trying to get a stamp 4 for him.

Well,I guess IntegratedMigrant just said it all.Granting citizenship is at the sole discretion of the MoJ. At least you should be aware that before the present minister resumed office applicants were being refused based on conditions such as receiving state benefits etc. He's had to waive such conditions.My wife is one of the first to benefit from this.
Looking at the way things are at the moment,I believe the best time for your son to apply should be now. Remember Alan Shatter won't be in office forever.What happens if he's soon replaced with somebody else?Remember, a new minister may not be happy with the way he's being waiving conditions for applicants, and may decide to adopt the old policy and slow things down. It read lots of articles about people(Irish) expressing their displeasure about his policies of granting citizenship to non-EU immigrants.
I was once stopped by the Gardai on a bus from Belfast to Dublin and taken to the immigration office in Dundalk because I didn't have an Irish visa. The week after I was at the Irish embassy in London to apply for visa and I was granted even though I mentioned in the application form I was refused landing in the state. Well,sometimes honesty pays.

This kind of opportunity normally comes only once. So I'll advice you grab it.There's no harm in trying. All the best

[tiredmum]

Thank you for the encouragement. My son's application has been sent to the General Immigration section via the EU Treaty department. I have no idea what department it has gone to. If they just stipulated which part of General Immigration its been sent to, it would give us some idea as to what they are deciding to do with him. Be it a stamp 4 or citizenship. There are so many departments in the system that it would be a miracle to actually find the paperwork.

[Babz]

Thank you for the encouragement. My son's application has been sent to the General Immigration section via the EU Treaty department. I have no idea what department it has gone to. If they just stipulated which part of General Immigration its been sent to, it would give us some idea as to what they are deciding to do with him. Be it a stamp 4 or citizenship. There are so many departments in the system that it would be a miracle to actually find the paperwork.

Why not give them a call/email quoting the reference number on the letter sent to you. they should be able to give you some useful information.

[tiredmum]

I will try to contact them again..its like waiting for a kettle to boil when calling the INIS. They put me on hold so long I ran out of credit. I will keep trying. Thanks for all the responses. Its good to know that someone out there has knowledge and experience of this system.

[Babz]

I will try to contact them again..its like waiting for a kettle to boil when calling the INIS. They put me on hold so long I ran out of credit. I will keep trying. Thanks for all the responses. Its good to know that someone out there has knowledge and experience of this system.

I'm not even sure what time they normally start work.If it's 9am,then start calling from 9 on the dot.They shouldn't hold you much long. And if an email address is provided on the letter,try sending them an email as well.

OR you can write them via post to the address provided in the letter whilst remembering to quote the reference number both in your letter as well as on the top left corner of the envelope. Remember, more than one road leads to the market

[IntegratedMigrant]

It was a minor offence according to the judge, but he had to learn to respect the law just like everyone else. Hence the conviction. I just hope INIS will see it as a minor conviction and forgive him for his stupidity.

Well there you said it!. He should make hayes while the sun shines!

He is in the best position for his citizenship to be granted that ever before!

I think he should apply for citizenship Immediately. Latest before next week end!

[IntegratedMigrant]

Thank you for the encouragement. My son's application has been sent to the General Immigration section via the EU Treaty department. I have no idea what department it has gone to. If they just stipulated which part of General Immigration its been sent to, it would give us some idea as to what they are deciding to do with him. Be it a stamp 4 or citizenship. There are so many departments in the system that it would be a miracle to actually find the paperwork.

I should remind you that Stamp 4 and Citizenship are totally different things!. The difference is night and day.

Citizenship puts an end to lot of things including the hassle of dealing with the Immigration Service all the time!. I could say 100s of positive things as well.

Regardless of what you're doing now in relation to his Stamp 4, applying for citizenship now is highly crucial.

[tiredmum]

I will call INIS tomorrow to find out where his paperwork has been sent to. I sent all my original documentation so I will ask them if they can send it back asap, depending on what they say. Thank you for your advise and well-informed replies.
Will update as soon as I know anything.

[IntegratedMigrant]

It read lots of articles about people(Irish) expressing their displeasure about his policies of granting citizenship to non-EU immigrants.

Do you have links to those articles?