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Catherine Zhu was born in one part of the United Kingdom (Northern Ireland) and merely moved within the United Kingdom (going to England). The laws then granting Irish nationality to anyone born on the island of Ireland (including in Northern Ireland), coupled with good legal advice, enabled her to rely on citizenship of the Union to found a right of residence in the United Kingdom for herself and her Chinese mother,
Case C‑200/02 [2004] ECR I‑9925. Having checked the national file in Zhu and Chen, I take this opportunity to clarify a long-running confusion in nomenclature. Catherine’s mother was born Lavette Man Chen. She married Guoqing Zhu (known as Hopkins Zhu) and became Mrs Zhu. The couple’s daughter was therefore Catherine Zhu. Both mother and daughter bore the surname Zhu when the application that gave rise to Case C-200/02 was lodged. The reference to Chen (and the ensuing confusion as to which applicant was Zhu and which Chen) flows from a simple misunderstanding.
not only that, but case law (Carpenter) state providing services in the EU also.... even if based in the UK... where the spouse aids in this services provisions...
The British citizen must be residing in an EEA Member State as a worker or self-employed person or have been doing so before returning to the UK.
If the family member of the British citizen is their spouse or civil partner, they are living together in the EEA country or must have entered into the marriage or civil partnership and have been living together in the relevant EEA country before the British citizen returned to the UK.
You need to relax. It all seems complex, but it is actually very straight forward for your situation.chaoclive wrote:It's starting to sound much more complex than I expected :shock:
We don't have kids and are currently living out the EU area...not sure if the 2 cases above would apply.
I need to get him an EU entry visa first (probably easiest from the Irish Embassy in Beijing as a British citizen).
I would not be so optimistic (following the "Also British, Only British" changes).Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Likely it will just be issued
That'd be me maybe, still waiting to hear about reconsideration, emailed my Mp again tonight to see if he can gee them up a bit so I can at least travel. Was meant to leave tomorrow night. Original thread here:EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:I recall at least one other poster, who having been born in Northern Ireland and holding a British passport had their spouse's application rejected.
Irish persons born in the UK are British citizens. Given that you hold a British passport, it is likely that an application for an EEA family permit would fail in the circumstances you describe.
I'm not sure why you are fixed on renouncing the Irish citizenship. You should be able to apply for a visa (and exercise treaty rights) using your British passport in Ireland even if you are Irish. As long as you do this using your British passport, the HO would accept that.chaoclive wrote:It looks like the only option is renouncing Irish citizenship first and taking it back up at some time in the future.
Might be best to renounce all your EU citizenships while you are at it???chaoclive wrote:Better safe than sorry...
That way I would be in complete compliance of the EU Directive (i.e. not working a country of which you have citizenship). That way there would be no way that I would face problems later!
Renouncing Irish citizenship is no big deal (quick, cheap process and the option to get it back).
but the fact is, the UK state if your british your only british...chaoclive wrote:Better safe than sorry...
That way I would be in complete compliance of the EU Directive (i.e. not working a country of which you have citizenship). That way there would be no way that I would face problems later!
Renouncing Irish citizenship is no big deal (quick, cheap process and the option to get it back).
Thanks for posting the link. I would be interested to know on what basis do you think a reconsideration would be granted?stuts wrote:That'd be me maybe, still waiting to hear about reconsideration, emailed my Mp again tonight to see if he can gee them up a bit so I can at least travel. Was meant to leave tomorrow night. Original thread here:EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:I recall at least one other poster, who having been born in Northern Ireland and holding a British passport had their spouse's application rejected.
Irish persons born in the UK are British citizens. Given that you hold a British passport, it is likely that an application for an EEA family permit would fail in the circumstances you describe.
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=139929
If you are super worried and don't want to risk non-compliance with the EU directive as you put it, what about picking an EU country where you don't hold citizenship?chaoclive wrote:Better safe than sorry...
That way I would be in complete compliance of the EU Directive (i.e. not working a country of which you have citizenship). That way there would be no way that I would face problems later!
Renouncing Irish citizenship is no big deal (quick, cheap process and the option to get it back).
On the basis that their grounds for refusal are that I've never exercised my treaty rights and that I hold a British passport. I've lived and worked (albeit briefly) in 2 other European countries, so I've clearly exercised my rights of free movement.EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:Thanks for posting the link. I would be interested to know on what basis do you think a reconsideration would be granted?stuts wrote:That'd be me maybe, still waiting to hear about reconsideration, emailed my Mp again tonight to see if he can gee them up a bit so I can at least travel. Was meant to leave tomorrow night. Original thread here:EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:I recall at least one other poster, who having been born in Northern Ireland and holding a British passport had their spouse's application rejected.
Irish persons born in the UK are British citizens. Given that you hold a British passport, it is likely that an application for an EEA family permit would fail in the circumstances you describe.
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=139929
On the basis that their grounds for refusal are that I've never exercised my treaty rights and that I hold a British passport. I've lived and worked (albeit briefly) in 2 other European countries, so I've clearly exercised my rights of free movement.stuts wrote:
On the basis that their grounds for refusal are that I've never exercised my treaty rights and that I hold a British passport. I've lived and worked (albeit briefly) in 2 other European countries, so I've clearly exercised my rights of free movement.stuts wrote: