Accepted Professions (sticky)

[sh1981]

Furthermore a referee who is a professional person should have had dealings with the applicant otherwise than in a professional capacity. However we would expect there to have been regular face-to-face contact between the applicant and his or her referees over the three-year period, such that both referees could confidently assert that the photograph submitted with the form was a true likeness of the person making the application.

could you explain the bit in bold please. i mean say its a company director, the company i work for. does he qualify as my referee? or it has to be a company director of a company i was not employed by?

[cutepearl]

Hi all,

Just have a quick question regarding the references;

I work in a large company with over 1000 employess, Can my manager sign for me on the reference page to verify me?

Thanks.

[eqroz]

Hey guys,

I went to see a professional to have some advice about the referee

and he said if i find 2 British referee it does not need to be a professional

listed on the UKBA list of professional, it can be any professional with 25

y.o. or above.

I questioned him 2 times and he said he has sent hell a lot of application

like that and none of them was refused. He even got pissed off with me

saying he is a lawyer and he knows the rules.

but i am still in doubt with him.

can anyone please confirm that for me.

I will much appreciate your help.

booked an appointment with the checking service of Candem for this

Wednesday and haven't found a professional therefore i asked 2 of British

friends to be my referee.

PS: he did say it does need to be a professional listed on the UKBA list of

professional only if the professional is not a British citizen.

[Preacher]

For an applicaton for British Citizenship you need to have 2 referees (it is a must, not a choice):

- a professional (any nationality)
- a British citizen (any profession)

Both of them cannot be related to you or live at the same address, and they should have known you for more than 2 years.

At our application we were asked quite a lot of questions about our referees, so I would advise for you to be really careful in choosing right people for that.

[sap76484]

Hi
I would be applying for citizenship for myself, my wife and my 4 YO son (using forms AN and MN1)
I wanted to seek some guidance on the referees I could use for my son's application.

Im planning on getting my friend and colleague who is a director in an MNC to act as the professional referee for me and wife
And another friend and colleague who is again a director in the same MNC as the second referee for all 3 of us.

For my sons Professional referee I cannot use the same ref. as me and wife's as the guide for MN1 states 'professional who has engaged with the child in a professional capacity, such as a teacher, health visitor, social worker or minister of religion'

QUERY
I was wondering if I could use one of the trustees from the Hindu temple that we visit (one of whom does hold a british passport and the other doesnt - not sure which one I would be able to get the signature from) both have known us for past 4 years.

Many Thanks for your help in advance

[walidukdz]

Hi I wonder on the form do the 2 referee have to sign my photo too ?
thanks

[adilshahzaman]

Hi All,

I need a clarification on Referees for my Citizenship-

Is it ok if one of the referee's is a Software Professional with a Masters degree in software engineering and other who has degree in Bachelors of Engineering?

I will appreciate if some expert can clarify this.

Regards

Can anyone please expand on that as I've got a similar problem... my referees are a PHD Doctor and the other one a software engineer and both are my friends... can they both write in the form as friend when it ask how you know the applicant.... Thanks

[sokrates99]

Hello,
How often do the referees get contacted? Im asking as my potential referee is about to have a baby and i gather she will be pretty busy. She is a Chartered Psychologist so hopefully will be accepted as a proffesional. I think she won't mind signing my application but i am not sure if she will be happy to speak to someone later.
Thanks!

[John]

Referees are contacted rarely. But it is clearly impossible to rule out the possibility. UKBA do contact some.

Chartered Psychologist sounds fine to me.

[Derivaz]

Hi John

My professional referee is a Biomedical Scientist working for the NHS; that's her professional job title and her job is to analyse blood samples.

Do you think she qualifies?

Regards

D

[neoseal]

I think so that will be acceptable, as Biomedical Scientist is professional title issued by The Institute of Biomedical Science and they work for NHS.

[John]

So what professional qualification does she have?

[Derivaz]

Thanks Neoseal

Hi John

She has a science degree, then a Master's in the relevant field (1st one in the republic of ireland and 2nd in northern ireland); then she got a job in Scotland to work for the NHS and moved here; she had to take a course and sit an exam to get an extra qualification to be registered with a public body; which is a requirement to work in that job for the NHS; so she did that a few years ago and obtained that qualification from a public body, which was an NHS requirement; so I guess registration with the public body is her professional qualification.

What do you think?

Cheers

D

[John]

So she is a member of The Institute of Biomedical Science? If yes then clearly that is OK.

[Amber]

Thanks Neoseal

Hi John

She has a science degree, then a Master's in the relevant field (1st one in the republic of ireland and 2nd in northern ireland); then she got a job in Scotland to work for the NHS and moved here; she had to take a course and sit an exam to get an extra qualification to be registered with a public body; which is a requirement to work in that job for the NHS; so she did that a few years ago and obtained that qualification from a public body, which was an NHS requirement; so I guess registration with the public body is her professional qualification.

What do you think?

Cheers

D

Continue in your other thread.

[Derivaz]

Hi John

I'm not sure if it's the Institute of Biomedical Science, but she had to attend a university course and then sit an exam to obtain a qualification and be able to register with a pubic body; it's a requirement by the NHS and it's a public body, but I don't know the name

PS: I've called my friend she register with the Health Professions Council (HPC)
Does that make her a professional?

Cheers

D

[Derivaz]

Hi John

I spoke with my referee and she told me that she's registered with the Health Professions Council (HPC) which is the body that regulates health professions like biomedical scientists.

Do you think that makes her a professional and therefore acceptable by the H.O.?

Regards

D

[John]

Do you think that makes her a professional and therefore acceptable by the H.O.?

In my opinion the answer is "no". But the question is, why has the Health Professions Council registered her, what qualification did she need?

Also, assuming she fills in the relevant part of the form AN, what would she enter as her occupation?

[neoseal]

I would say it will be acceptable, because Biomedical Scientist is a registered and protected title regulated by Health Professional Council. The same HPC also registers Chiropodist, who are on the list. The acceptable professional list is not limited or exhaustive.

Other people like Bank officials or Post Office Official are also on list who don't need any formal professional registration as far as I know. So why would a professional registrant be not acceptable?

[John]

OK on reflection Biomedical Scientist should be alright. I agree with what neoseal has posted.

This whole thing is becoming a nonsense given Director of Limited Company is on the list and anyone can be a Director, and it only costs £14 at Companies House to form a company!

[Derivaz]

HI John

The HPC registered her, because it's a legal requirement to work as a Biomedical Scientist; she can't work without the HPC membership.

The qualification she needed is Biomedical Scientist and the occupation she put on the form is Biomedical Scientist; this is her official job title. her name can also be found on the HPC website as registered.

Also, I emailed the HO a few months ago and someone with the job title Immigration Chief Officer in the signature replied and said "That's not my area of expertise, but I believe, she would qualify as a referee"

2 more questions if that's ok:

- Have you guys seen anyone that has been refused because of one of the referees and especially, because they didn't accept the profession of the professional one?

- I heard that if the don't accept one of the referees they ask you to send them another one (which i could do, since I have a civil servant that the NCS lady took out, because she said, i could send only 2). Is that at the caseworker's discretion or is it part of their process?

Thanks in advance

D

[Jasper_X]

can a counsellor (psychotherapist) with MA and BA degrees be used as a professional reference? (British citizen/ known for 5+ years)

also what will happen in case UKBA does not accept one of the references? do they refuse the application all together or do they request other references?

[neoseal]

I think so if they are registered with UKCP, BACP or NRPC. If UKBA does not accept the referee they will ask you to get another one.

[Derivaz]

can a counsellor (psychotherapist) with MA and BA degrees be used as a professional reference? (British citizen/ known for 5+ years)

also what will happen in case UKBA does not accept one of the references? do they refuse the application all together or do they request other references?

I think they normally ask you for another one, but I think they could technically reject it as well; so it probably depends on the caseworker you get
Regarding acceptable referees; I think theoretically, they accept those that are registered with a professional body, but I'm not sure they check that in practice....

[Jasper_X]

I'm having a hard time finding an acceptable professional referee, is Production Manager of a VAT registered company accepted?
the list includes "Manager of a VAT registered company",so is a "Production Manager" qualifies too?