FLR(O) Discretionary Leave waiting times ..??

Believe2013 · Post by **Believe2013** » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:38 pm

johnny04 wrote:
Believe2013 wrote:
johnny04 wrote:Hello all please advice....

My partner was refused in June 2013 after waiting for 14 months on the basis that we only included in the application birth certificates of our 2 kids because we have not applied for their British passports at the time. Even the refusal letter addressed to my partner had names of a different partner, different kids and even different case reference numbers. Instead of reconsideration, the solicitor advised that we submit a fresh application and inform HO about the errors on the refusal letter. We have just reapplied again few days ago including the kids British passports but the new form now included English language requirement. My partner does not qualify for any exemption, she entered the UK illegally and do not have any valid ID to even go and take the required English test. I am worried that she might be refused again. The solicitor's opinion was that HO might think differently because we have already included in the application that she does not have any passport or valid ID at the moment.
Hi Johnny, I wish you all the best and hope it's second time lucky - Perhaps the rationale behind submitting another application is that the cycle of new applications seems to have dramatically shortened post April 2013. Even though he is aware that new evidence can be introduced at the appeal stage, he probably anticipated delays exploring the appeals avenue. I slate a few lawyers because of their rigid thinking a lot but it's refreshing to see one think outside the box. My very best wishes sir.
Thank you so much for your response Believe2013. My partner was not even given a right of appeal. My only concern is the English Language requirement which she doesn't have at the moment and can't even go and take the test because she does not even have any Valid ID to present at the test centre. My partner's application already included information about her not having a passport at the moment. Rather than refuse her again based on this requirement; I am not sure if HO can send some kind of letter requesting her to go and take the test so she can present that at the test centre; if they really require it in her case.

Thank you and Amen Dapsonlee. Nice way to start the month of September. Good luck fellow members.

@Johnny, I know not an ideal situation to be in. if she can't take the test through no fault of her own then there should be some sort of arrangement, one can only hope. perhaps after all the biometric data has been logged onto the system, they will send her a letter instructing her to go to a designated centre to take the test, I am merely speculating nothing is straight forward with the home office as we know. Fingers crossed it will be ok. There is always a way..

nilemarques · Post by **nilemarques** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:57 am

[quote="dapsonlee"]For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’ ” (Revelation 7:17). This is the month of revolution and as we step into a new week and new month, may the grace of God go with us. This week shall bring good news to those appealing and to those of us waiting and may The Lord comfort those who have been refused grant them the strength and the will to live to fight the battle that will break down the walls of Jericho (Home Office and case workers) and lead us all into our promise land in Jesus name. Good news this week and the rest of the month for God has opened his window of blessings onto us all on this thread. (Amen).[/quote]

What a wonderful prayer @Dapsonlee. Amen and Amen. Thank you@yummymummy3j. I feel so rejuvenated! Thank you!

SDP · Post by **SDP** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:07 am

yummymummy3j wrote:Good evening guyz,i prayed for you all in church today.....i pray as caseworkers begin to deal wit yr cases tommorrow,they will favour you and grant all yr visas in jesus name.....goodnite and sweet dreamz

Thank you very much !

Good morning everyone !
Good luck & keep praying..

verbina · Post by **verbina** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:02 am

yummymummy3j wrote:Good evening guyz,i prayed for you all in church today.....i pray as caseworkers begin to deal wit yr cases tommorrow,they will favour you and grant all yr visas in jesus name.....goodnite and sweet dreamz

Awwwwh Thank You @yummymummy!!! God Bless you and your yummyfamily!!!!

verbina · Post by **verbina** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:11 am

johnny04 wrote:
Believe2013 wrote:
johnny04 wrote:Hello all please advice....

My partner was refused in June 2013 after waiting for 14 months on the basis that we only included in the application birth certificates of our 2 kids because we have not applied for their British passports at the time. Even the refusal letter addressed to my partner had names of a different partner, different kids and even different case reference numbers. Instead of reconsideration, the solicitor advised that we submit a fresh application and inform HO about the errors on the refusal letter. We have just reapplied again few days ago including the kids British passports but the new form now included English language requirement. My partner does not qualify for any exemption, she entered the UK illegally and do not have any valid ID to even go and take the required English test. I am worried that she might be refused again. The solicitor's opinion was that HO might think differently because we have already included in the application that she does not have any passport or valid ID at the moment.
Hi Johnny, I wish you all the best and hope it's second time lucky - Perhaps the rationale behind submitting another application is that the cycle of new applications seems so have dramatically shortened post April 2013. Even though he is aware that new evidence can be introduced at the appeal stage, he probably anticipated delays exploring the appeals avenue. I slate a few lawyers because of their rigid thinking a lot but it's refreshing to see one think outside the box. My very best wishes sir.
Thank you so much for your response Believe2013. My partner was not even given a right of appeal. My only concern is the English Language requirement which she doesn't have at the moment and can't even go and take the test because she does not even have any Valid ID to present at the test centre. My partner's application already included information about her not having a passport at the moment. Rather than refuse her again based on this requirement; I am not sure if HO can send some kind of letter requesting her to go and take the test so she can present that at the test centre; if they really require it in her case.

@johnny04

Hi hun, Im in a similar situation as my passport expired years ago and I lost is somewhere, so I ve got no ID whatsoever.
My solicitor just wrote in the application 'with regard to English language requirement: My client speaks fluent English, but she is unable to take a test without her passport.'

Believe2013 · Post by **Believe2013** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:34 am

I would be truly shocked if they asked you to undertake the English test Verbina, your written English is impeccable. I gather it's another one of the many schemes to bleed us poor immigrants dry of our hard earned cash. You pay to have your biometrics captured on top of the extortionate fees we are charged. criminals have theirs done for free, utterly ridiculous, I am tired of this apartheid! This nation is moving backwards, no way is Britain a major player on the global scenes.

hatchsead · Post by **hatchsead** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:38 am

Believe2013 wrote:I would be truly shocked if they asked you to undertake the English test Verbina, your written English is impeccable. I gather it's another one of the many schemes to bleed us poor immigrants dry of our hard earned cash. You pay to have your biometrics captured on top of the extortionate fees we are charged. criminals have theirs done for free, utterly ridiculous, I am tired of this apartheid! This nation is moving backwards, no way is Britain a major player on the global scenes.

You don't have to over emphasize that, its becoming so obvious.

Believe2013 · Post by **Believe2013** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:52 am

@hatchsead lol - Pardon me, if I sound like a professional moaner and a bitter human being but iniquity in any shape or form should not be tolerated. I suppose the onus is on us to change the future for our kids.

Kukuwife · Post by **Kukuwife** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:57 am

Absolutely

hatchsead · Post by **hatchsead** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:21 am

Believe2013 wrote:@hatchsead lol - Pardon me, if I sound like a professional moaner and a bitter human being but iniquity in any shape or form should not be tolerated. I suppose the onus is on us to change the future for our kids.

You have said the truth no matter how bitter it may sound and it has also set you free. One of my neighbours who is a elderly white man once told me that this country of theirs used to be called "Great Britain" but they have since realized that there is nothing great about it anymore hence they refer to it now as "United Kingdom" with the hope to try and keep it together

hatchsead · Post by **hatchsead** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:23 am

hatchsead wrote:
Believe2013 wrote:@hatchsead lol - Pardon me, if I sound like a professional moaner and a bitter human being but iniquity in any shape or form should not be tolerated. I suppose the onus is on us to change the future for our kids.

You have said the truth no matter how bitter it may sound and it has also set you free. One of my neighbours who is a elderly white man once told me that this country of theirs used to be called "Great Britain" but they have since realized that there is nothing great about it anymore hence they refer to it now as "United Kingdom" with the hope to try and keep it together

verbina · Post by **verbina** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:28 am

hatchsead wrote:
Believe2013 wrote:I would be truly shocked if they asked you to undertake the English test Verbina, your written English is impeccable. I gather it's another one of the many schemes to bleed us poor immigrants dry of our hard earned cash. You pay to have your biometrics captured on top of the extortionate fees we are charged. criminals have theirs done for free, utterly ridiculous, I am tired of this apartheid! This nation is moving backwards, no way is Britain a major player on the global scenes.
You don't have to over emphasize that, its becoming so obvious.

Yeah well its not the point... Unless we get to have some interview with a caseworker or something, there s no way they'll know if we can speak the lingo at all really...

So I guess the next best thing to having a certificate is to have a solicitor vouch for us, I think

hatchsead · Post by **hatchsead** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:39 am

verbina wrote:
hatchsead wrote:
Believe2013 wrote:I would be truly shocked if they asked you to undertake the English test Verbina, your written English is impeccable. I gather it's another one of the many schemes to bleed us poor immigrants dry of our hard earned cash. You pay to have your biometrics captured on top of the extortionate fees we are charged. criminals have theirs done for free, utterly ridiculous, I am tired of this apartheid! This nation is moving backwards, no way is Britain a major player on the global scenes.
You don't have to over emphasize that, its becoming so obvious.
Yeah well its not the point... Unless we get to have some interview with a caseworker or something, there s no way they'll know if we can speak the lingo at all really... So I guess the next best thing to having a certificate is to have a solicitor vouch for us, I think

Verbina, more like a HO issued certificate that you will have to pay for and get the solicitor to notarize

Its all schemes of continually moving the goal post and frustrating people, in one word wickedness

Believe2013 · Post by **Believe2013** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:42 am

yeah I know what you mean. say you are refused on that basis purely alone and then you go for a hearing for the appeals procedure before a judge; he/she can certify you as a proficient English speaker.

hatchsead · Post by **hatchsead** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:47 am

Believe2013 wrote:yeah I know what you mean. say you are refused on that basis purely alone and then you go for a hearing for the appeals procedure before a judge; he/she can certify you as a proficient English speaker.

Good point but thats energy draining and waste of time. We are at their mercy. The Lord will see us through and grant us favour and mercy before each caseworkers handling our cases and we shall partake in the milk and honey of this land either they like it or not!

verbina · Post by **verbina** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:52 am

Believe2013 wrote:yeah I know what you mean. say you are refused on that basis purely alone and then you go for a hearing for the appeals procedure before a judge; he/she can certify you as a proficient English speaker.

Shittttt!! It never occurred to me!!! To be refused because of the dumb english language requirement ?! My parents will seriously kill me, no joke!!

hatchsead · Post by **hatchsead** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:56 am

verbina wrote:
Believe2013 wrote:yeah I know what you mean. say you are refused on that basis purely alone and then you go for a hearing for the appeals procedure before a judge; he/she can certify you as a proficient English speaker.
Shittttt!! It never occurred to me!!! To be refused because of the dumb english language requirement ?! My parents will seriously kill me, no joke!!

Verbina, once your papers are sorted, i will be most interested in managing you as a stand up comedian. Each time i read your comments, i end up bursting into laughter lol

verbina · Post by **verbina** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:00 pm

OMFG you s lot got me thinking here!!! It can actually happen!!!! The language requirement!!!!!

Ok I went to language school here hen I was 15 like and now that I think about it, Im sure I had some Cambridge 1st cert or something... But Ive no idea where it went... It was like almost 15 years ago....

Urrrrm is Cambridge 1st any good for HO?

Does it have expiry date or something?

Soz for all these questions, I looked on HO website but its confusing

verbina · Post by **verbina** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:09 pm

hatchsead wrote:
verbina wrote:
Believe2013 wrote:yeah I know what you mean. say you are refused on that basis purely alone and then you go for a hearing for the appeals procedure before a judge; he/she can certify you as a proficient English speaker.
Shittttt!! It never occurred to me!!! To be refused because of the dumb english language requirement ?! My parents will seriously kill me, no joke!!
Verbina, once your papers are sorted, i will be most interested in managing you as a stand up comedian. Each time i read your comments, i end up bursting into laughter lol

No babe!! But Im not joking here you know!!!

You dont understand how much money my parents spent on my language school here!!! Thats why they sent me here originally, but for a 15 year old me studying was the least of my worries!!! So when it was time to renew my 'student visa' and ECO from British embassy in Moscow called up my school in London to ask when was the last time they actually saw me, they said....urrm 8 months ago... So yeah, my parents were pretty cheesed off by that... Then my visa extension was refused and I became an illegal entrant.. tada!!!

Believe2013 · Post by **Believe2013** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:18 pm

Verbina as you are aware judges, barristers, solicitors and most legal practitioners are commissioners' of oaths too so if they vouch for you that should suffice.

I have been thrown a googly by someone in terms of VAT. Are solicitors supposed to charge VAT for services they provide to Overstayers? I know asylum seekers and illegal entrants is a no but I thought I would pick your brains, good people. thanks

Shondra Sharma · Post by **Shondra Sharma** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:29 pm

my 7 year child application refused today with no right of appeal shocking been waiting for 11 months and decision go negative.

verbina · Post by **verbina** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:36 pm

Shondra Sharma wrote:my 7 year child application refused today with no right of appeal shocking been waiting for 11 months and decision go negative.

Oh for f*ck sake! Whats with all these refusals for people with children! I dont know what to say , what is your solicitor advising you to do hun?

Shondra Sharma · Post by **Shondra Sharma** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:39 pm

just got the message from solicitor I try to phone but line is very busy I don't know what to do? probably JR is the only option, my child born here in uk and nearly 10 years old (1 months to go) never been back my country still refused

Shondra Sharma · Post by **Shondra Sharma** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:41 pm

just solicitor phone me back and saying the reason is when we made an application that time we are overstayer

Shondra Sharma · Post by **Shondra Sharma** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:42 pm

probably they apply october 1, 2012 rules anyone who overstay more than 28 days their application is refused starightway.

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