UK conservatives party to bid to quit EU next year 2014

askmeplz82 · Post by **askmeplz82** » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:02 pm

what will happen if they do quit EU next year. Do you guys think EEA / Family member of EU national also loose the right to residence ?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a8c244ca-26b6 ... z2gt53ooMw

Post by **vinny** » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:27 pm

There will probably be transitional provisions for them.

Post by **sheraz7** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:15 am

Similar post in numerous occasions has already been made which ended up with the conclusion that these changes will take a time and most likely affect new migrants and until that time old migrants will have already been settled or near to be settled.

UKBA HUNTER · Post by **UKBA HUNTER** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:03 am

They actually afraid from Romanians and Bulgarians.

askmeplz82:
you should always let us know in advance about your new and new topics everday.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:34 am

UKBA HUNTER wrote: askmeplz82:
you should always let us know in advance about your new and new topics everday. :D

I am not sure what this means.

askmeplz82 · Post by **askmeplz82** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:21 pm

EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:
UKBA HUNTER wrote: askmeplz82:
you should always let us know in advance about your new and new topics everday.
I am not sure what this means.

He/she is making fun of me that's all

I just shared with the forum members what I read in financial times;

Nimitta · Post by **Nimitta** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:06 pm

askmeplz82 wrote:what will happen if they do quit EU next year.

Well, I do not believe they will quit EU next year, no way. It does not seem likely that there would be a referendum in 2014 or 2015. I do not think that Conservatives can pull this one. Labors won't cooperate. Cameron has too many things on the agenda (including upcoming 2015 election and 2014 Eu "renegotiation") apart from the fuss over the referendum. If Labors win the election, there would be no EU leaving in the nearest future. If Conservatives win, then it might happen, but not before 2017.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:12 pm

Who knows the future? There are so many things to worry about. What if the EU chose to expel the UK? Let's deal with what's in front of us.

UKBA HUNTER · Post by **UKBA HUNTER** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:30 pm

It won't be easy to happen because its results will not only Europe but the south Asian giants businesses in uk and Europe will be affected because Japan prime minister has already give his favor for eu to present government because EU unity make them able to save a lot of unnecessary taxes/charge to operate in eu.

UKBA HUNTER · Post by **UKBA HUNTER** » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:35 pm

UKBA HUNTER wrote:It won't be easy to happen because its results will not only Europe but the south Asian giants businesses in uk and Europe will be affected because Japan prime minister has already give his favor for eu to present government because EU unity make them able to save a lot of unnecessary taxes/charge to operate in eu.

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23393856

askmeplz82 · Post by **askmeplz82** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:59 am

[quote="UKBA HUNTER"][/quote]

well in a poll commissioned by Bruges Group, 71% of Britons want out of the EU if there is a Vote/referendum

If British people don't want to stay in the EU there is nothing Japanese government can do;

The EU continues to be a central issue for the Conservatives policy so they may do something just to win next election or may be it will never happen. I wish it never.

http://www.brugesgroup.com/eu/71-said-t ... xp=comment

Nimitta · Post by **Nimitta** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:01 am

EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:Who knows the future? There are so many things to worry about. What if the EU chose to expel the UK? Let's deal with what's in front of us.

Well, "certain future" is an oxymoron anyway. But is there a procedure to expel a country from the EU? I thought there wasn't.

fysicus · Post by **fysicus** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:09 am

Bruges Group wrote:The Bruges Group spearheads the intellectual battle against the notion of "ever-closer Union" in Europe and, above all, against British involvement in a single European state.

From the banner on their website it seems that the Bruges Group is a British anti-EU organisation, and the information on their website is heavily anti-EU biased.
Anyway, even if the UK would leave the EU and join EFTA they would still be bound by Directive 2004/38 (which is actually EEA wide, and all EFTA members are also EEA countries) and so it would not change anything in the area of immigration.

I very much doubt if the 71% who apparently chose EFTA over EU was fully aware of this (not so) minor detail??

EFTA was founded on British initiative many years ago as an alternative for the EEC (precursor of EU) when France (de Gaulle) blocked UK entry to the EEC. It was not really a success and has been almost dormant since UK entered EU 40 years ago and quit EFTA.

UKBA HUNTER · Post by **UKBA HUNTER** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:31 pm

EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:
UKBA HUNTER wrote: askmeplz82:
you should always let us know in advance about your new and new topics everday.
I am not sure what this means.

hello eusmile this is my mean:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 058#927058

yoshi_jp · Post by **yoshi_jp** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:22 pm

askmeplz82 wrote:
UKBA HUNTER wrote:
If British people don't want to stay in the EU there is nothing Japanese government can do;

Indeed.

UKBA HUNTER wrote:
UKBA HUNTER wrote:It won't be easy to happen because its results will not only Europe but the south Asian giants businesses in uk and Europe will be affected because Japan prime minister has already give his favor for eu to present government because EU unity make them able to save a lot of unnecessary taxes/charge to operate in eu.

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23393856

Well. Here's an engineer from Japan.

I can see where the Japanese PM is coming from. Basically, the Japanese manufacturers in the UK (such as Nissan in Sunderland) benefit heavily from free movement of capital and goods within the EU. Obviously, we want to sell items such as cars made by our companies in the UK to the rest of the EU without any import duty or Kafkaesque piles of paperwork. What is at stake here is free trade rather than free movement of labour, and I do not think Europe suddenly terminates free trade between the UK and the continent. Why would they?

Japanese expats involved in such activities do not really benefit from the right of free movement as it stands now, because, well, we aren't EU/EEA nationals. I can't really foresee the trade barrier (or near-absence of it) between the UK and Japan becoming higher or thicker in the event of Britexit, because Japan is not in the EU in the first place. It might even become easier for the UK and Japan to sign on a stand-alone free trade agreement once the hegemon in Brussel loses control.

I cannot imagine the Japanese government actively seeking to prevent Britain's exit from the EU so long as shipping between Dover and Calais is expected to remain smooth and painless.

Besides, the process of invoking Article 50 will be quite lengthy and will last for at least two years. I believe that is long enough to settle major practical issues.

Nimitta · Post by **Nimitta** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:57 pm

yoshi_jp wrote:What is at stake here is free trade rather than free movement of labour, and I do not think Europe suddenly terminates free trade between the UK and the continent.

Well, there is no separate "free trade" agreement between the UK and the continent. As any other member of the EU the UK has privileges but also has to abide by its legislation, and that includes freedom of trade as well as freedom of movement. Neither UK or any other EU Member State can pick cherries out of the cake. If the UK does leave the EU, its membership in the EU will be null and void. All of it. Yes, after that the UK can try to negotiate individual agreements with separate EU countries, true, but the UK will have to start from scratch.

Cameron (basically most of Conservatives) want to renegotiate the conditions of the UK membership and then, if Conservatives win the election of 2015 hold the referendum in 2017. I do not think he will succeed. However, Cameron at least is not inclined to do crazy things like the UKIP's leader Farage and Adam Afriyie who feverishly try to force the EU referendum. I mean, it's a big decision. What's the point to hurry and do it right now, like, let's do it next Friday! This is irresponsible at the very least. If you hurry you make mistakes.

Nimitta · Post by **Nimitta** » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:15 pm

As for Farage, it is really funny. Found something interesting here abou this idea of negotiated freedom of movement http://jondanzig.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05 ... 0396157150

During the interview Mr Farage was asked about the British expats in Spain, especially the pensioners. Clearly they are worried: what will happen to them if the UK leaves the EU? Mr Farage said the British in Spain make a significant contribution to the economy there, and a 'reciprocal deal' could be made This implies that, if UKIP have their way, British expats could stay in Spain, but the Polish expats, and other EU migrants, could not stay in Britain.

Don't we call that 'double standards'? The Polish, for example, have also made a huge contribution to the British economy; they are mostly fully employed; very few are pensioned or ill or claiming benefits, and there are fewer Polish in Britain than British in Spain.

Hahaha.... This is VERY funny, very funny indeed.

askmeplz82 · Post by **askmeplz82** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:32 pm

Nimitta wrote:
EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:Who knows the future? There are so many things to worry about. What if the EU chose to expel the UK? Let's deal with what's in front of us.
Well, "certain future" is an oxymoron anyway. But is there a procedure to expel a country from the EU? I thought there wasn't.

In today news paper :

David Cameroon: Right to free movement across the EU could be curbed under British plan

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2hj6A1j28
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yoshi_jp · Post by **yoshi_jp** » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:13 am

Nimitta wrote:
yoshi_jp wrote:What is at stake here is free trade rather than free movement of labour, and I do not think Europe suddenly terminates free trade between the UK and the continent.
Well, there is no separate "free trade" agreement between the UK and the continent.

I am well aware of that. What I am trying to say, if it isn't blatantly obvious, is that neither Britain nor the rest of Europe can afford losing it, so they will anyway come up with an alternative arrangement, be it an extension of the EFTA, a significant modification of the EEA or a number of many new stand-alone agreements between the EU and the UK. It takes a few years to invoke and implement the get-out clause of the Lisbon Treaty, so it's quite a long shot to even suggest that Britain will suddenly be economically isolated from the rest of the EU.

Davmck70 · Post by **Davmck70** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:38 am

Guys,
I am happy we are all looking forward pro-actively to what happens when the UK pulls out of the EU but the more important focus at the moment is to live life as we want. Whatever they decide, there will always be a provisional arrangement for us all on the rule existing at the moment so no cause for alarm. to be honest, it will be a very great loss for UK to pull out because I think what UK benefits as an EU member country is a lot and the folks in power know it. I can bet it will not happen in the next 15 years....

Ayyubi72 · Post by **Ayyubi72** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:13 am

I cannot wait for the day this elusive referendum takes place.

If at all it takes place, I will be voting a big NO as soon as the poll opens.

eldane · Post by **eldane** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:32 pm

Ayyubi72 wrote:I cannot wait for the day this elusive referendum takes place.

If at all it takes place, I will be voting a big NO as soon as the poll opens.

Are you a naturalised Brit? Else you are not entitled voting as it is not an EU or local government referendum but a British opt in/out referendum.

Eldanes

Ayyubi72 · Post by **Ayyubi72** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:37 pm

No, I am not a naturalised citizen at all. But I can legally vote in each and every election that takes place in UK. I am also eligible to stand in UK parliamentary elections, without being a Brtish Citizen. ( Not that I am really going to, btw.)

fysicus · Post by **fysicus** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:49 pm

Ayyubi72 wrote:No, I am not a naturalised citizen at all. But I can legally vote in each and every election that takes place in UK. I am also eligible to stand in UK parliamentary elections, without being a British Citizen

Can you be a bit less mysterious on how this is possible? Is it based on Irish or Commonwealth citizenship?

askmeplz82 · Post by **askmeplz82** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:37 pm

fysicus wrote:
Ayyubi72 wrote:No, I am not a naturalised citizen at all. But I can legally vote in each and every election that takes place in UK. I am also eligible to stand in UK parliamentary elections, without being a British Citizen
Can you be a bit less mysterious on how this is possible? Is it based on Irish or Commonwealth citizenship?

i guess commonweath

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