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thank you CalvinclienCalvinKlien wrote:There is no interview as such. In the next four weeks, yours and your partners original passports would be sent back to you and hopefully a temporary stamp 4 for six months would be issued. During the six months time, DOJ could ask you for further documents at different stages. so make sure you check your post every day.
There is a possibility that the Immigration can visit you and your partner at home and may be at your partner's work place for some checks but its rare. They will definitely call at your partner's work place to verify his/her employment.
All the best
thanks for reply.CalvinKlien wrote:Hi zaza7625,
DOJ means "Department of Justice"
Yes, ur partner must be involved in an economic activity which involved ( Full time / part time work, Studying in a reputable university/college etc etc).
Your partner must be working for the next 5 years or should be involved in an economic activity as at the end of 5 years you have to apply for permanent residence card and without ur partner economic you will not be granted that....
thanks for reply jeupsy.jeupsy wrote:Working or studying is the easiest way.
If she stops working you will have to rely on the fact that you family is self sufficient. If you are working yourself this could work, or otherwise you would have to show substantial savings or other sources of income which are enough to get the family going for a while - and it will not be as a black and white decisions as if she is working (ie they can say they are not convinced your savings are sufficient and deny the application; whereas as long as she is working they can't refuse the application).
Also shall you want to apply for permanent residence in 5 years, they will likely use any gap in her period of employment to deny it.
thank you very much. the information given by you is very helpful, needful and concrete. thanksBrigid from Ireland wrote:Your wife only needs to work part time, but she does need to work. Some mothers register as self employed, and the key to this is to keep good records and complete all necessary paperwork. They sell baby clothes on the internet, or craft work like for example they make and sell birthday/Christmas cards, or they babysit/mind old people... This is considered exercising treaty rights, and she would need to declare an income of about six thousand euro per year from this in my opinion.
In my opinion, the best option for a family with children is for one parent to work 20 hours per week, as this gains the FIS payment.
Unless one or both parents has a qualification that allows them to earn a high wage, working 20 hours plus FIS is the best option, as it allows time to be spent with the children and gives a good income also.
You can actually be better off to work 20 hours plus FIS plus medical card plus help with rent (no help with rent if you work more than 30 hours) so between 20-30 hours work for one parent is the sweet deal.
The DOJ have no interest in your childcare arrangements. They require your wife to fulfil the conditions. However, if you live in Ireland legally for three years and then have another child that child is an Irish citizen, because citizenship is granted to child born in Ireland if parent legal for three years first (that is the current rule, it could change). In this case the non-EU parent is safe as soon as the Irish citizen is born, as they now have a right to stay in Ireland to look after the Irish child, under a ruling called Zambrano.
In your case I think you already have an older child who is an Irish citizen, so you can actually make your application under EUFAM and under Zambrano, and if you get it under Zambrano your wife does not need to work at all (Zambrano is based on the need for you to work to look after the Irish citizen child, so your wife working is not relevant. The only problem with Zambrano is that they sometimes refuse it if the child has not lived in Ireland for the whole time period since birth.) So you can apply under Zambrano also, and if you get under Zambrano you win, as wife does not need to work.
jeupsy wrote:Definitely make sure she is working during the initial 6 months - if they find out she's not they will deny your application and you will be in an awkward situation.
Once your application is granted you get a Stamp 4EUFam for an extra 5 years. During that period she should be either working studying, or in involuntary unemployment (ie if she gets laid-off and doesn't find another job immediately it doesn't affect your rights). In practice they are unlikely to regularly check whether she is working so not much will happen if she stops working after you get the EUFam. But there is always a small risk in case you have to deal with INIS before the end of the 5 years and they ask for updated documents, and also it could catch-up with you later if you are planning to stay in Ireland long term. Overall it is not a huge risk but you'd better be aware of it .
Thanks jeupsy, your information is very good and I will take into consideration of what you said
Even if she was alone in Ireland and not sponsoring her family to join her, your wife would not be allowed to stay in Ireland longer than 3 months without working, studying, or being self sufficient (ie exercising Treaty Rights). The propose of the European Directive when it comes to non EU family members is to allow them to accompany their EU family members who are exercising Treaty Rights. It means that your legal status fully depends on your wife's - which can be inconvenient but the DOJ is following European law here.
Brigid from ireland: please let me know as how long takes whole zambrano process to be granted as such?Brigid from Ireland wrote:Your wife only needs to work part time, but she does need to work. Some mothers register as self employed, and the key to this is to keep good records and complete all necessary paperwork. They sell baby clothes on the internet, or craft work like for example they make and sell birthday/Christmas cards, or they babysit/mind old people... This is considered exercising treaty rights, and she would need to declare an income of about six thousand euro per year from this in my opinion.
In my opinion, the best option for a family with children is for one parent to work 20 hours per week, as this gains the FIS payment.
Unless one or both parents has a qualification that allows them to earn a high wage, working 20 hours plus FIS is the best option, as it allows time to be spent with the children and gives a good income also.
You can actually be better off to work 20 hours plus FIS plus medical card plus help with rent (no help with rent if you work more than 30 hours) so between 20-30 hours work for one parent is the sweet deal.
The DOJ have no interest in your childcare arrangements. They require your wife to fulfil the conditions. However, if you live in Ireland legally for three years and then have another child that child is an Irish citizen, because citizenship is granted to child born in Ireland if parent legal for three years first (that is the current rule, it could change). In this case the non-EU parent is safe as soon as the Irish citizen is born, as they now have a right to stay in Ireland to look after the Irish child, under a ruling called Zambrano.
In your case I think you already have an older child who is an Irish citizen, so you can actually make your application under EUFAM and under Zambrano, and if you get it under Zambrano your wife does not need to work at all (Zambrano is based on the need for you to work to look after the Irish citizen child, so your wife working is not relevant. The only problem with Zambrano is that they sometimes refuse it if the child has not lived in Ireland for the whole time period since birth.) So you can apply under Zambrano also, and if you get under Zambrano you win, as wife does not need to work.
Brigit from ireland: could you give me an information whether there is an application form for zambrano? if no, how can I apply for it?Brigid from Ireland wrote:Your wife only needs to work part time, but she does need to work. Some mothers register as self employed, and the key to this is to keep good records and complete all necessary paperwork. They sell baby clothes on the internet, or craft work like for example they make and sell birthday/Christmas cards, or they babysit/mind old people... This is considered exercising treaty rights, and she would need to declare an income of about six thousand euro per year from this in my opinion.
In my opinion, the best option for a family with children is for one parent to work 20 hours per week, as this gains the FIS payment.
Unless one or both parents has a qualification that allows them to earn a high wage, working 20 hours plus FIS is the best option, as it allows time to be spent with the children and gives a good income also.
You can actually be better off to work 20 hours plus FIS plus medical card plus help with rent (no help with rent if you work more than 30 hours) so between 20-30 hours work for one parent is the sweet deal.
The DOJ have no interest in your childcare arrangements. They require your wife to fulfil the conditions. However, if you live in Ireland legally for three years and then have another child that child is an Irish citizen, because citizenship is granted to child born in Ireland if parent legal for three years first (that is the current rule, it could change). In this case the non-EU parent is safe as soon as the Irish citizen is born, as they now have a right to stay in Ireland to look after the Irish child, under a ruling called Zambrano.
In your case I think you already have an older child who is an Irish citizen, so you can actually make your application under EUFAM and under Zambrano, and if you get it under Zambrano your wife does not need to work at all (Zambrano is based on the need for you to work to look after the Irish citizen child, so your wife working is not relevant. The only problem with Zambrano is that they sometimes refuse it if the child has not lived in Ireland for the whole time period since birth.) So you can apply under Zambrano also, and if you get under Zambrano you win, as wife does not need to work.
