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Applied for Tier 2 VISA but visa processed under Tier 4

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Applied for Tier 2 VISA but visa processed under Tier 4

Post by manojjk » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:57 am

Hi,
I applied for Tier 2 (ICT) visa, but somehow my visa processed under Tier-4 (General) Student Visa under paragraph 245ZV. Further to this, they have refused my visa application under general ground for refusal (under 320 7a) as the documents were found to be false. I am absolutely sure on the documents and all docs are genuine and correct. I have been asked to go for administrative review and i ll be framing the review documents today.

I request you all if anyone has faced this issue earlier, please respond on how did u handled this case.
Experts, What do you think, will there be any success in my case.
I am in desperate need of help/advice..

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Post by geriatrix » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:23 am

Someone at BHC goofed up big time!!

Give the city name of the BHC from where the refusal letter has been sent.
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Post by manojjk » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:39 am

British Deputy high Commission, Chennai, India.

Do u think I can get this review in my favor, considering the refusal under 320(7a)?

Just to add, they have retained my original certificates/marksheets.

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Post by geriatrix » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:00 am

With personal details omitted, post (all) the reason(s) for refusal as given in the refusal notice (GV51).

This will help others understand the issues and provide suggestions accordingly.
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Post by manojjk » Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:44 am

Below are the reply received from BHC:
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You have applied for entry clearance to the united kingdom under tier 4 (general) student of the point based system. I have considered your application under paragraph 245ZV of the immigration rules.

Any documentation you have supplied in support of your application have been considered and recorded.
The Decision:
Detailed below are your score in each of the areas for which you claimed points for attribute and controls, and the points awarded by the clearance officer, with comments where there is a discrepancy.
CAS score : 30 (points awarded)
Maintenance : 10 (points awarded)
I am satisfied with the points.
General ground for refusal:
ECO Comment;
In you application you have submitted educational certificates from XYZ university, I am satisfied the these documents are false because they have been subjected to verification checks and found to be false, as detailed in a document verification report. As false documents have been submitted in relation to your application, it is refused under paragraph 320 (7a) of immigration laws.
As false representation have been made in relation to your application, it is refused under paragraph 320 (7a) of immigration laws. Any future application will also be automatically refused, for the same reason under paragraph 320 (7b) until Nov 2022, unless a concession applies.
Furthermore, in light of the above you do not meet the requirements of paragraph 245ZV of HC395.

If you believe that the decision made by Eco was incorrect, you may apply for the administrative review of your case.

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My questions:
1) How come they process my application under Tier-4, when i have applied under Tier-2 with all supporting documents.
2) Documents supplied were all authentic and genuine, is there any other way to challenge this, as i am more than 100 % sure on this.
All the documents in question are retained by them.
3) What all points should i mention in Administrative review form?
4) Do i stand a chance to get the Visa? Else, i believe this will affect in my all future visa application.

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Post by manci » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:18 am

when you applied for the T2 ICT visa did you submit with the VAF9 form:

Appendix 5?

payslips/bank statements confirming your employment during the specified periiod (12 or 3 months)?

have you checked with your sponsor that the CoS number they gave you was in fact for a T2 ICT CoS?

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Post by manojjk » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:45 am

All required documents were provided in proper order. I work for one of the largest IT service employer. they too verified all the document throughly. Just not sure on the last question, I will check on this n get back

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Post by quantum1 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:37 pm

Might have sent to you a decision for someone else by mistake.

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Post by Sheffield_Marketeer » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:48 pm

Weirdest goof-up I have heard of!

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Post by Greenie » Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:11 pm

What is odd is that they awarded you the points for your CAS. Did you actually see the cos? Are the university certificates referred to from the right university?

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Post by manojjk » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:01 am

Yes, I do have a valid COS. university certificates are valid and very much authentic. I have worked with 3 different Tier 1 Multinational companies and they all have verified my docs in detail before onboarding, so no question of false docs.
Absolutely no idea how this happened with me. They have returned my CoS ref doc (printed email) along with my passport and other docs(salary proof, other educational certificates etc). I will be sending the administrative review on next couple of days, and will hope that they will look into my case from a fresh angle.

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Post by manojjk » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:53 am

Hi All,

I am reopening this thread, The reason, yet again ..Need someone's help with detailed procedure for visa appeal (justice).

Latest Update (along with complete background ) on my case:
I had applied for the UK Work Permit Visa under category Tier 2 – Intra Company Transfer (ICT) - Short Term Staff Migrant Visa on 30th Oct 2012 with valid Cos. I received the reply after 15 working days, and it was mentioned that my Visa application is refused and my application failed to meet the requirement under section 245ZV under paragraph 320 of the immigration rules.


The reply also stated that the Visa was processed under Tier-4 category and the refusal was on the basis of General grounds of refusal with the detailed reason as mentioned below:

General ground for refusal:
ECO Comment;
In you application you have submitted educational certificates from XYZ* university, I am satisfied the these documents are false because they have been subjected to verification checks and found to be false, as detailed in a document verification report. As false documents have been submitted in relation to your application, it is refused under paragraph 320 (7a) of immigration laws. Any future application will also be automatically refused, for the same reason under paragraph 320 (7b) until Nov 2022, unless a concession applies.
Furthermore, in light of the above you do not meet the requirements of paragraph 245ZV of HC395.


On getting this reply, I checked with the UKBA and requested them (by email) to process my application under correct category which is Tier 2 – Intra Company Transfer (ICT)-Short Term Staff Migrant Visa. I received a revised Visa refusal note from UKBA (by post) and this time the refusal note mentioned the correct category that is Tier-2 ICT, but the refusal reason was same as earlier (false document). The revised refusal was under section 245GB under paragraph 320 of the immigration rules.


As my visa was refused again for the same primary reason where ECO (Entry Clearance Officer) was not satisfied with the submitted degree and marksheets. I decided to go for Administrative Review with additional documents to support my application. I went to the XYZ University, and checked with the respective confidential department in university (I learnt that they had not received any formal document verification request from UKBA). Also as additional documents, I managed to get university transcript (which the University sends as part of any documents verification request from the consulate) along with the Bonafide letter from the college, where I had studied the 3 year full time degree course.


On 5th Dec 2012, I sent the review application by courier for the administrative review. Along with this review application, I had attached the above mentioned additional documents (University transcript and Bonafide letter from college).

28 days later, On 4th Jan 2013, I received the administrative review decision letter from the UKBA, which again refused my review. The reviewer upheld the original decision. On the additional supporting documents, the reviewer commented as below:

“I am satisfied that the verification check was properly conducted and the conclusion reached was correct. I note that you have provided further documents (transcripts) purportedly from XYZ University to support your claim that the degree certificate is genuine; however these documents are self serving and do not detract from the information contained in the verification report. Your refusal under paragraph 320(7a) therefore stands. Any future applications will also be automatically refused, for the same reason, under paragraph 320(7b) of the Immigration Rules until 19/11/2022, unless a concession applies.”

Please note that in this letter the ECO has again mentioned that I applied for entry clearance to the United Kingdom under Tier 4 of the Points Based System, which is not correct.

I feel that there is some mistake happened with my application, and from the beginning it is being processed under Tier – 4 instead of Tier-2 ICT. The document verification was also done under Tier-4 category. Now, I am left with the option to go for the visa appeal (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas ... o/appeals/) and try to get justice from there, As I am very much confident that the documents and my degree is absolutely correct and authentic.

Please let me know detaied porcedure for Visa Appeal and guide me in the direction forward. I might not be able to get any representative for the hearing, and will try to write down my case history and appeal for justice before an immigration judge. I would like to know:
1) Do I have right to go for appeal against a decision of an Entry Clearance Office? I am not in UK and refusal was done from UKBA, Chennai, India.
2) Do I need any lawyer (Consider it For an appeal to be determined on the papers provided only)
3) Is only IAFT-2 is required, What other docs i should submit.
4) Anyone out here who went for Visa Appeal? How is the success rate?

This rejection has given me a lot of tension, as this will surely affect all my future Visa Applications, to all countries and it will severely affect my career all my life. I feel, this has all happened because of one mistake made by the ECO , where he first processed my application in wrong category. :evil:

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Post by manci » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:16 am

there are two issues here:

a) the mix-up between T4 and T2. I expect you checked the CoS and your application (VAF9 + Appendix 5) and couldn't find any reason for the mix-up.

b) the more serious issue is the allegedly false degree certificate. You submitted additional documents with your request for an administrative review but UKBA stated that "these documents are self serving and do not detract from the information contained in the verification report." - without seeing these documents it is not possible to say what UKBA was referring to

as regards b):
You can ask for a copy of the document verification report (DVR), see RFL4.7 (it will be depersonalised)
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/polic ... 4/#header7
(example of a DVR also given here)

Write to the Entry Clearance Manager asserting that the degree certificate you submitted was genuine, you checked with the university, they confirmed its genuineness and said that they had not received a request for its verification from UKBA. Ask for a copy of the DVR.

In your letter also mention that the administrative review decision was incorrect because it referred to T4 rather than the category in which you applied, T2 ICT Short Term Staff.

You can only appeal on human rights grounds, see:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas ... ve-review/
The appeal has to be on form IAFT-2 but can also be made online (with the documents to follow by post), see
http://www.justice.gov.uk/tribunals/immigration-asylum

It would be helpful for an experienced immigration lawyer to put together the appeal but of course this would cost money. Subject to the time limit for appeals I would wait with the appeal until you hear back from the ECM..

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Post by manojjk » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:52 pm

Thanks a lot manci

I will ask for DVR, before going ahead for appeal. One question though, As I do not have any further chance to go for Administrative review, Would it had been possible to ask for DVR before going for Administrative review?

I think if that would be the case, I could have asked for DVR before going for Admin review and could have addressed the root cause more clearly.

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Post by manojjk » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:53 am

Hi everyone,

I hope you're all doing well. I would like to inform the forum members that finally after a long struggle and all sorts of confusions, my visa application met the qualifying criteria :lol:
I have submitted my passport to the BHC and waiting to get it back (hopefully with stamped visa).

Here is brief of what all has happened in last two months:
After the rejection from AR, I had no other option left but to go for Visa Appeal and this time I made sure to address the actual issue (documents authenticity). I again went to university and came to know that they have not received any such communication from the BHC, not even a phone call. But they agree to send me a detailed verification report to the BHC directly. Getting these doc took me some time, as it is very difficult to convince on this sort of issues to the University officials (specially with the 100 yr old, Indian Govt run universities).
Finally, I filed for Visa Appeal(paper based, without any representative / lawyer / 3rd party involvement) on 1st week of Feb'13. On 26th I received a letter from the AR, BHC, which says: "I am pleased to confirm that you have met the qualifying criteria. Details of my decision are on the back of this letter (Points Summary Document).
Please forward your passport to the VFS centre you submitted your initial application to"


I have sent my passport via VFS and waiting to get it back.

On the other side, I also received a letter from the First Tier tribunal, which is just an ack of my appeal and it clearly says,
1. "You do not need to take any action at this stage"
2. The ECO at BHC will reconsider the original decision. If they decide you should be given a visa, they will contact you. (I think, this is what has happened with me )

Req to fellow forum members :
1) Should I withdraw my visa application now? (ofcourse after getting the passport).
2) Any idea, How much it might take to get the passport back.

Again, I would like to THANK manci and other forum members for providing the detailed guidance and suggestions.

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