Visitor Visa Query

[shubhendra]

I am planning to call my brother and cousin to UK. My wife and I are on ILR and my 2 year old son is a British citizen. My wife is also expecting a baby, for this reason I am calling them.

Both my brother and cousin are not currently employed as they completed their studies recently. Both however will be returning back to India after 2.5 months. They have their parents transfered around £2400 each in their savings account for maintenance. In my sponsor letter I have mentioned that I will not be taking any rent or utility from them. Both parents my father and my uncle are providing a letter of support of my brother and my cousin respectively. Will this suffice? My brother will be applying for his masters later this year and my cousin could get married later this year. What strong evidence of reutrning back can one provide in this case? Are the case workers very strict about it?

Antoher question is that:

The 'Their relationship to you' option doesn't give Cousin in the dropdown. Can I select Sister?


Many thanks

[Zerubbabel]

Hello

I am not great believer in this application. You will see that most people when their wife is expecting a baby, they bring a women to her assistance such as sister, mother, aunt... You hardly find a new mother counting on the assistance of two young lads even in this day and age.

Young, no family of their own (wife + kids), no job, 2.5 months for first visit to help a new mother... I think the chance of success is very low here.

What's their travel history? If you tell me they both travelled many times to EEA, Australia, USA... and their passports are full of stamps/visas, I could revise my judgement.

Indeed, there is always some degree of randomness about visas. They can still apply counting on that randomness but the risk is that they get their visa declined as non genuine visitors which means it will be very hard for them to get a visa to the UK in the future.

[shubhendra]

Hi,

We will not be mentioning the pregnancy, please take it out of equation.

We just want them to spend a couple of months may be 1.5 months or so with us and go back.

My brother has got distinction in his bachelor’s recently and wants to go back to apply for his Masters. My cousin is definitely going back too as she will be getting married. They all live in a joint family back in India sharing the same address. My father and my cousin’s dad are brothers and run a business together. All I want to say is they are genuine visitors who want to visit us and see Uk.

Why will ukvi reject their application for being honest?

[Zerubbabel]

With visitor visas, you have to maximise your chances and make sure that your first application is perfect.

In theory, you can apply as many times as you wish and each application will be appreciated under its own merits. But in reality, it's not true. Once you enter in a cycle of applications/refusal with the Home Office, the chances of getting a visitor visa get close to zero. And that starts from the first refusal.

While there are no guarantees in either side, there some known triggers for refusal, such as:

- Male
- Young
- No job
- No family
- No travel history

Future plans won't help. They would rather see a person married already with a kid, than a person planing to marry in the future and have kids. Future plans don't create attachment. Only what' actual in the current situation that counts. Same for "I don't study now, but I plan to study in the future". It has the same value as "I don't work now, but I plan to work in the future".

It's up to them to try and see if they get a visa. There is always a probability that they will get it that day. But still, if they get refusal, they will regret not having waited until their situation is better.

[shubhendra]

Hi,

Thank you for your reply and useful information.

If we say that they are coming for around 4 weeks and not 2 months, will that ease the application a bit?

Just to be clear my cousin is a female.

Thanks

[Zerubbabel]

The list I gave you on the previous post:

Code: Select all

- Male
- Young
- No job
- No family
- No travel history

Is about markers that usually cause high risk of refusal for visitors visas. They are usually found on failed applications. They don't have to be all there. But it's enough that you have 1, 2 or 3 of them to have a very reduced chance of success.

On November 2019, a lady from my own family got refused as a non genuine visitor. Here is her profile:

- 28 years old
- 5 year in the job (working on a State hospital)
- Not married. No kids (but planing to get married)
- No travel history

Result: "In the balance of probability, I am not satisfied your are genuine visitor".

For your family members, I think it's better for them to wait and apply may be in 2022 or 2023 when their profile is better rather than applying now, getting a refusal and being unable to successfully apply for a decade or so.

But the choice is their. To avoid any issue with them later, explain openly the risks. Maybe you will be lucky and they will get the visitor visa without any hassle.

[shubhendra]

Many thanks for this.

Last question (also mentioned in the first post).

There is no option for cousin in the dropdown, can I select Sister?

Thanks

[Zerubbabel]

No, select "Other" or something but not sister. They will see she is not your sister and think that you are making incorrect declaration.

[Zerubbabel]

And please, whatever the outcome, let us know so we can have an updated idea of current practices.

[iwolga]

The list I gave you on the previous post:

Code: Select all

- Male
- Young
- No job
- No family
- No travel history

Is about markers that usually cause high risk of refusal for visitors visas. They are usually found on failed applications. They don't have to be all there. But it's enough that you have 1, 2 or 3 of them to have a very reduced chance of success.

On November 2019, a lady from my own family got refused as a non genuine visitor. Here is her profile:

- 28 years old
- 5 year in the job (working on a State hospital)
- Not married. No kids (but planing to get married)
- No travel history

Result: "In the balance of probability, I am not satisfied your are genuine visitor".

For your family members, I think it's better for them to wait and apply may be in 2022 or 2023 when their profile is better rather than applying now, getting a refusal and being unable to successfully apply for a decade or so.

But the choice is their. To avoid any issue with them later, explain openly the risks. Maybe you will be lucky and they will get the visitor visa without any hassle.

This is a classic example of a catch-22: you need travel history to get visa and you need visa to get travel history.

[Zerubbabel]

It's like Credit Score really. Sometimes you can have a job and healthy finances but they refuse you a basic credit because you never had credit before.

For travelling is the same. I recommend starting with "easy" countries. UK/USA/Australia... are very difficult for a first trip especially if the person doesn't hold a job. Even Schengen visa is easier.