Need advice after visit visa refusal due to a technical issue

[taq12345]

Hope you all are doing well.

I have two questions:

• I want to travel with my mother to visit my aunt in UK. But people say that my chances will improve if I apply alone first. What do you guys think? My mother already has a visa to Canada and has been to the UK before.

• What are my chances overall to get a visa?

Here is my profile:

• I was rejected 3 times in 2017 for a visitor visa to UK to visit my aunt because I was a student with no assets and ties to home country.

• Now I have a good salary and bank balance with properly maintained bank statements.

• I am unmarried and live with my family (Mother and siblings).

• I have traveled to Turkey and UAE twice in the past 5 years.

Thanks!

[Ticktack]

Hope you all are doing well.

I have two questions:

• I want to travel with my mother to visit my aunt in UK. But people say that my chances will improve if I apply alone first. What do you guys think? My mother already has a visa to Canada and has been to the UK before.

• What are my chances overall to get a visa?

Your chances are exactly the same, regardless of who you apply with (mother or not). Your application is all about you. You're not a minor, so your mother can't influence your visa approval.

Here is my profile:

• I was rejected 3 times in 2017 for a visitor visa to UK to visit my aunt because I was a student with no assets and ties to home country.

Too much in a space of 1 year. But it's been 5 years now, so fair enough.

• Now I have a good salary and bank balance with properly maintained bank statements.

Progress

• I am unmarried and live with my family (Mother and siblings).

• I have traveled to Turkey and UAE twice in the past 5 years.

It shows you can afford short holidays, but still no guarantees.

Thanks!

Seems like you have a better chance than before. Make sure that you application is airtight. No sudden injection of money in to your account in the last 6 months that can't be properly explained. Make sure you're not spending 50% of your account savings on your intended trip to the UK, otherwise it makes no rational sense.
Have a planned itinerary of what you plan to do in the UK, and make sure your holiday planned isn't more than 10-14 days.

[taq12345]

Hope you all are doing well.

I have two questions:

• I want to travel with my mother to visit my aunt in UK. But people say that my chances will improve if I apply alone first. What do you guys think? My mother already has a visa to Canada and has been to the UK before.

• What are my chances overall to get a visa?

Your chances are exactly the same, regardless of who you apply with (mother or not). Your application is all about you. You're not a minor, so your mother can't influence your visa approval.

Here is my profile:

• I was rejected 3 times in 2017 for a visitor visa to UK to visit my aunt because I was a student with no assets and ties to home country.

Too much in a space of 1 year. But it's been 5 years now, so fair enough.

• Now I have a good salary and bank balance with properly maintained bank statements.

Progress

• I am unmarried and live with my family (Mother and siblings).

• I have traveled to Turkey and UAE twice in the past 5 years.

It shows you can afford short holidays, but still no guarantees.

Thanks!

Seems like you have a better chance than before. Make sure that you application is airtight. No sudden injection of money in to your account in the last 6 months that can't be properly explained. Make sure you're not spending 50% of your account savings on your intended trip to the UK, otherwise it makes no rational sense.
Have a planned itinerary of what you plan to do in the UK, and make sure your holiday planned isn't more than 10-14 days.

Yeah I'm very mindful of submitting proper financial evidence. The only issue is family ties. Do you think living with mother and siblings is a good enough family tie? If not, what else can I show since I am not married yet.

[secret.simon]

A letter from your employer stating your leave entitlement and your post, etc, may be helpful to show that you have an obligation to return to.

[lolo2]

Your marital status or applying together or not with your mother don't make any difference in a visa application. Having a Canadian visa can help in her process though.

You can demonstrate strong ties to your country with an employment letter, showing healthy finances (as you've pointed out), etc. Anything that can show you'll leave the UK after your intended visit.

Also if you're staying with your aunt it's very important to include an invitation letter explaining that she's hosting you at her place, your relationship, etc.

[taq12345]

Your marital status or applying together or not with your mother don't make any difference in a visa application. Having a Canadian visa can help in her process though.

You can demonstrate strong ties to your country with an employment letter, showing healthy finances (as you've pointed out), etc. Anything that can show you'll leave the UK after your intended visit.

Also if you're staying with your aunt it's very important to include an invitation letter explaining that she's hosting you at her place, your relationship, etc.

Noted. Thanks for the help .

A letter from your employer stating your leave entitlement and your post, etc, may be helpful to show that you have an obligation to return to.

Yes I have that ready as well. Thanks

[taq12345]

Hope you all are doing well!

I have received a UK visitor refusal because the visa officer said that I only have 122 PKR (£0.5) in my Checking account. Completely overlooking the fact that I had given another bank statement of my Savings Account which had more than £13000.

How should I address this? Should I reapply? Should I contact a lawyer? What is the fastest and cheapest way of getting this fixed keeping in mind I live in Pakistan.

Please see refusal below:

[Ticktack]

Hope you all are doing well!

I have received a UK visitor refusal because the visa officer said that I only have 122 PKR (£0.5) in my Checking account. Completely overlooking the fact that I had given another bank statement of my Savings Account which had more than £13000.

How should I address this? Should I reapply? Should I contact a lawyer? What is the fastest and cheapest way of getting this fixed keeping in mind I live in Pakistan.

Please see refusal below:

A few errors made by you. When applying for any visa, not just the UK. You need to realise that by default you might be rejected. It's your job to make it hard for them to refuse you.

Why have you stated that your Aunt would help with accommodation and some funds for maintenance. First red flag!
Accommodation and general upkeep should be end off.

Money wise, why move your money around so much? You're confusing everyone. They don't have the time of day to keep up with the money trail (forensic accounting). Leave your money in the account you use for your wages. Other monies can go into your savings. After your visa application, you can move your money to Malaysia if you wanted, no one cares.
It's a bit like having a driving test. You do somethings to pass the test, after that you can drive as you please.

You Spend £260 monthly X 12 = £3,120
Monthly wages £932.22 X 12 = 11,186.64
You get extra £1,471 annually from investments
UK trip would cost you £1,600 for a 8 days trip

So you have £12,657.64 Annual income minus £3,120 (Annual expenses)
= £9537.64

Spending £1,600 on a 8 days trip is almost 2 months wages.

You probably overdid the form by also stating £XX for plane trip and £1,600 for what it would cost me personally. So easily the CW is thinking almost £3k for 8 days, that's a third of your annual.

You can obviously afford it, but you've not convinced him beyond reasonable doubt.

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[taq12345]

Why have you stated that your Aunt would help with accommodation and some funds for maintenance. First red flag!
Accommodation and general upkeep should be end off.

Because she was ACTUALLY going to help with me and my mother with accomodation and basic funds (food and transport). I don't get how this is unreasonable.

Money wise, why move your money around so much? You're confusing everyone. They don't have the time of day to keep up with the money trail (forensic accounting). Leave your money in the account you use for your wages. Other monies can go into your savings. After your visa application, you can move your money to Malaysia if you wanted, no one cares.
It's a bit like having a driving test. You do somethings to pass the test, after that you can drive as you please.

I don't move my money "around so much". I only move my monthly salary from my salary account to my savings account (as do millions of other employed people). If I leave my money in my salary account, I won't get interest on it which is not a smart thing to do.

You Spend £260 monthly X 12 = £3,120
Monthly wages £932.22 X 12 = 11,186.64
You get extra £1,471 annually from investments
UK trip would cost you £1,600 for a 8 days trip

So you have £12,657.64 Annual income minus £3,120 (Annual expenses)
= £9537.64

Spending £1,600 on a 8 days trip is almost 2 months wages.

You probably overdid the form by also stating £XX for plane trip and £1,600 for what it would cost me personally. So easily the CW is thinking almost £3k for 8 days, that's a third of your annual.


You can obviously afford it, but you've not convinced him beyond reasonable doubt.

I don't think this is an issue since I can easily afford this trip and this was not the reason provided by the ECO for refusal.

[Ticktack]

[/Because she was ACTUALLY going to help with me and my mother with accomodation and basic funds (food and transport). I don't get how this is unreasonable.quote]

Like I said, this was the first mistake. It's all about the choice of words. Quick example, I went to Amsterdam last month, I was talking to some guy on the phone trying to get my tax return as we've now left the EU. He said someone would be coming to the till. I said can he give me a time frame. He said he can't give me an exact time. I said I know that, that I only need a timeframe to work with, so that I don't miss my flight the end of it. He said he has no exact time. I said I know! I need a frame between XX -YY. Then he got it.
What is acceptable in your home country would and might be misinterpreted somewhere else.

I don't move my money "around so much". I only move my monthly salary from my salary account to my savings account (as do millions of other employed people). If I leave my money in my salary account, I won't get interest on it which is not a smart thing to do.

Same as above. You're confusing everyone. No one cares what your intentions are. They just can't find the money easily.

I don't think this is an issue since I can easily afford this trip and this was not the reason provided by the ECO for refusal.

I was only giving you an opinion. I am not the ECO. I can only advise you on a way to scale thru this quagmire. Just know this if nothing else, visiting the UK is all about the money.


On a separate note, my cousin living in Canada (not Canadian) applied for a UK visa recently. He put very minimal documents in his application. Only 3 months payslips and 3 months bank account. Hotel reservations to avoid questions of family in the UK address and residency status and all.

He had a credit balance of over $200,000 CAD. Visa issued, no questions asked.

3 things were in play here.
1. He was resident in a country where he was unlikely to want to run away from.
2 He had a very high paying job.
3 He had a very fat account.

Risk level was 0. Visa was issued in 2.5 weeks.

[taq12345]

Hi, hope you all are doing well.

I had recently applied for a visit visa from Pakistan along with my mother to visit my aunt. My visa got refused because they said that I had not submitted my bank statement (which I did).

I even sent a pre action protocol letter with the PDF from VFS that contained the list of documents I had attached. They outrightly denied that they had received the bank statement.

Now I have a few questions:

• I received Australia visa after my UK refusal so should I reapply right now or after I come back from Australia? Currently I have only traveled to Dubai and Turkey.

• If I am to reapply, should I apply as a lone traveler or should I mention my aunt? (considering that family ties in UK might count as a negative)

• Is there any other way apart from reapplying/Judicial review to fix this issue?

Thanks!

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[Ticktack]

Hi, hope you all are doing well.

I had recently applied for a visit visa from Pakistan along with my mother to visit my aunt. My visa got refused because they said that I had not submitted my bank statement (which I did).

I even sent a pre action protocol letter with the PDF from VFS that contained the list of documents I had attached. They outrightly denied that they had received the bank statement.

Now I have a few questions:

• I received Australia visa after my UK refusal so should I reapply right now or after I come back from Australia? Currently I have only traveled to Dubai and Turkey.

Decent.

• If I am to reapply, should I apply as a lone traveler or should I mention my aunt? (considering that family ties in UK might count as a negative)

You can as you've already mentioned her. She can't just disappear now. Family in the UK aren't exactly a slam dunk refusal.

• Is there any other way apart from reapplying/Judicial review to fix this issue?

Thanks!

Applying now or later is entirely up to you. The most important is that you address issues that was raised against you before.
Have a printed copy of all documents that you're attaching to your application scanned and upload with the rest of your documents. Also make sure that you have a copy of the PAP scanned and uploaded. Most importantly, get all your documents right with no exceptions. Application needs to be spotless.