advice pliz(ancestory or descent)

[SUB-ZERO]

hi,cud anyone pliz advice me, my mother was given a british passport in pretoria1974.she later came to britain nd did a midwifery course.she went back home where she got married to my father but they divorced in 1984,a few months after i was born.my mom has been in the uk now for a few yrs nd got indefinate leave to remain.my question is do i qualify as a british ancestory citezen even though my mum;s not usin tht passport now?she has never denounced british citezenship,but the passport has expired.aplogise for the long post,nd thankin u in advance.

[Wanderer]

hi,cud anyone pliz advice me, my mother was given a british passport in pretoria1974.she later came to britain nd did a midwifery course.she went back home where she got married to my father but they divorced in 1984,a few months after i was born.my mom has been in the uk now for a few yrs nd got indefinate leave to remain.my question is do i qualify as a british ancestory citezen even though my mum;s not usin tht passport now?she has never denounced british citezenship,but the passport has expired.aplogise for the long post,nd thankin u in advance.

Where was she born? Anyway sounds like since she only had ILR and ILR is not Citizenship she isn't a British Citizen so there is no lineage to you.

I'm no expert on this tho - await others - I find it hard to understand your post so I might be clutching at straws but if u were born in UK to British father u might be British already.

Not being funny but it might be helpful if you could post your circumstances more clearly so we can help.

[SUB-ZERO]

Hiya

ok let me try to explain,My Mother was born in Zimbabwe, she came to the uk in 1974 as a trainee midwife with a british passsport as british subject.While she was training,she met my father,He was a citizen of Botswana,They got married in 1979 in Botswana,My moms british passport expired in 1982 so she gained Botswana citizenship through marriage and was issued with a Botswana passport.She never once surrendered her citizenship,2 years later i was born but sadly they divorced,She continued with her botswana citizenship because she had decided to live there and raise me there.the divorce was final in 1992 through the Botswana courts,fast forward to 2002.My mom applied for a job in the UK and the work permit was granted.After 5 years she was granted ILR.We just found her old british passport now,she thought she had lost it all these years!!It has a reference numbers and everything.My question is can she claim back her british citizenship as a british subject even though she never gave it up 25 years ago and do i qualify to be a british citizen by descent.

thnx.

[Wanderer]

One for JAJ I think, he'll be along soon!

[SUB-ZERO]

ok,thanx i will wait.

[JAJ]

Hiya

ok let me try to explain,My Mother was born in Zimbabwe, she came to the uk in 1974 as a trainee midwife with a british passsport as british subject.While she was training,she met my father,He was a citizen of Botswana,They got married in 1979 in Botswana,My moms british passport expired in 1982 so she gained Botswana citizenship through marriage and was issued with a Botswana passport.She never once surrendered her citizenship,2 years later i was born but sadly they divorced,She continued with her botswana citizenship because she had decided to live there and raise me there.the divorce was final in 1992 through the Botswana courts,fast forward to 2002.My mom applied for a job in the UK and the work permit was granted.After 5 years she was granted ILR.We just found her old british passport now,she thought she had lost it all these years!!It has a reference numbers and everything.My question is can she claim back her british citizenship as a british subject even though she never gave it up 25 years ago and do i qualify to be a british citizen by descent.

thnx.

There are some inconsistencies in the above. Nevertheless ...

1. What exactly does her old British passport say for national status? Does it say "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies"

2. Is her British passport stamped with any endorsement giving the right to live in Britain? If so, what does it say? (exactly)

3. Who issued her British passport?

4. Where were her own parents born?

5. What year was your mother born in?

That will do to begin with.

[SUB-ZERO]

Hi

thanx for the response.She was born in 1952 in zim,zimbabwe used to be called rhodesia back then,her parents were born in zimbabwe too,from what she has told me,Zimbabweans who travelled abroad were issued british passport because zim was colonised by britain and at that time was not independent till 1980 i think,the endorsement says british subject.The strange bit is that she said that she had to renew the visa every year while she was in the uk until 1979,the endorsment also read subject to immigration control.So its like she had a british passport as british subject of a colony,She says she was given ILR in 1979, and still used the very same passport till it expired in 1982 when she moved to botswana and was issued with a botswana passport through marriage as i stated.

JAJ have you ever come across a case like this one?

[JAJ]

Hi

thanx for the response.She was born in 1952 in zim,zimbabwe used to be called rhodesia back then,her parents were born in zimbabwe too,from what she has told me,Zimbabweans who travelled abroad were issued british passport because zim was colonised by britain and at that time was not independent till 1980 i think,the endorsement says british subject.The strange bit is that she said that she had to renew the visa every year while she was in the uk until 1979,the endorsment also read subject to immigration control.So its like she had a british passport as british subject of a colony,She says she was given ILR in 1979, and still used the very same passport till it expired in 1982 when she moved to botswana and was issued with a botswana passport through marriage as i stated.

Southern Rhodesia was a colony until 1980, however from 1949 it was treated as a "country" by Britain for nationality purposes.

It gets more complex because between 1958 and 1963, Southern Rhodesia was part of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland.

If she was born in Southern Rhodesia in 1952 and had S.Rhodesia born parents, then I'd think that she was a Southern Rhodesia citizen rather than a Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies.

Who issued her British passport? Was it the British Embassy in Pretoria and if so, does it say "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" on the front?

And for national status, does it say "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" as well as "British subject"?

[SUB-ZERO]

Hi JAJ

The front of the passport says (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)She says that the passport was issued in Pretoria.National status it just says (BRITISH SUBJECT).A few years while still using the same passport,there is stamp that the Home office issued which says(no longer subject to immigration control)Thats the time she was issued ILR. Were the rules the same in those days in terms of ILR being stripped away if you are away from the uk for a certain number of years?.So if she had ILR in 1979 and i was born in 1984,am i not a british citizen? because of moms ILR?

thnx

[JAJ]

Hi JAJ

The front of the passport says (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)She says that the passport was issued in Pretoria.National status it just says (BRITISH SUBJECT).A few years while still using the same passport,there is stamp that the Home office issued which says(no longer subject to immigration control)Thats the time she was issued ILR. Were the rules the same in those days in terms of ILR being stripped away if you are away from the uk for a certain number of years?.So if she had ILR in 1979 and i was born in 1984,am i not a british citizen? because of moms ILR?

This is quite curious. Based on the facts given, I cannot see how she was legally given a British passport.

In 1974, a "British subject" without citizenship could only hold this status from a tie with pre-1949 British India or Southern Ireland.

And I really see no basis on which she could have been a Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) if both she and her parents were born in Southern Rhodesia.

Where were her grandparents born and did she ever hold a Southern Rhodesia passport? What passport did she use to travel to South Africa?

CUKC was conferred on some people from Southern Rhodesia in 1964 when the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland was dissolved, but only if they did not become Southern Rhodesia citizens again on 1.1.64. I don't have the relevant legislation but I would have thought that if she was born in Southern Rhodesia then this would not apply. And even then it wouldn't explain the lack of CUKC references on the British passport.

As far as her ILR goes, normally it is lost by absence from the U.K. except that in her case, it may still be valid:

- if she was a CUKC (which she doesn't appear to be) then if she had lived for 5+ years in the U.K. before 1983 she would have become a British citizen on 1.1.1983; and

- If she really is a British subject, her ILR might still be valid.


Her ILR wouldn't make you a British citizen now, because you were born outside the United Kingdom.

Is she now a Botswana citizen?

[republique]

Hi JAJ

The front of the passport says (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)She says that the passport was issued in Pretoria.National status it just says (BRITISH SUBJECT).A few years while still using the same passport,there is stamp that the Home office issued which says(no longer subject to immigration control)Thats the time she was issued ILR. Were the rules the same in those days in terms of ILR being stripped away if you are away from the uk for a certain number of years?.So if she had ILR in 1979 and i was born in 1984,am i not a british citizen? because of moms ILR?

This is quite curious. Based on the facts given, I cannot see how she was legally given a British passport.

In 1974, a "British subject" without citizenship could only hold this status from a tie with pre-1949 British India or Southern Ireland.

And I really see no basis on which she could have been a Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) if both she and her parents were born in Southern Rhodesia.

Where were her grandparents born and did she ever hold a Southern Rhodesia passport? What passport did she use to travel to South Africa?

CUKC was conferred on some people from Southern Rhodesia in 1964 when the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland was dissolved, but only if they did not become Southern Rhodesia citizens again on 1.1.64. I don't have the relevant legislation but I would have thought that if she was born in Southern Rhodesia then this would not apply. And even then it wouldn't explain the lack of CUKC references on the British passport.

As far as her ILR goes, normally it is lost by absence from the U.K. except that in her case, it may still be valid:

- if she was a CUKC (which she doesn't appear to be) then if she had lived for 5+ years in the U.K. before 1983 she would have become a British citizen on 1.1.1983; and

- If she really is a British subject, her ILR might still be valid.


Her ILR wouldn't make you a British citizen now, because you were born outside the United Kingdom.
Is she now a Botswana citizen?

Good Lord. After all that, he is still not a Uk citizen.
And your knowledge of the immigration regulation history is impressive.
More power to you.