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I completely agree. The test is an insult to any intelligent person (and even worse it is quite a challenge for less intelligent people, because of the bizarre phrasing). I do not object to a basic knowledge of live in the UK in general, but the tests needs to be improved a lot.gbswales wrote:The problem with the test is that as well as the obsucure knowledge required the syntax used is difficult to the point that some seem like trick questions and the multiple choice answers are far too close in many cases - whoever needed to know how many people lived in Wales or how many MP's there are.
Absolutely not the case! You can apply for 2-year extensions. The marriage/CP does not end!I wonder whether other UK citizens getting married to other UK citizens would feel if the continuance of their marriage depended their partner passing this absurd exam.
Can you speak any Islandic? Or Greek? No? But you still have a right to go and live and work in those countries.the immigrants most complained about (from eastern europe) do not have to satisfy any tests or even speak basic english
I was not displaying any personal prejudice here as I believe in free movement and other factors, such as getting work, will usually determine quite quickly whether you can successfully live in any country. Though I have to say I dont think I would expect to live in any country without some knowledge of the language. My partner has good enough english to understand most television and conversations. I speak only about 4 words of Thai and we communicate together quite normally - sure I have to repeat things occasionally as does he but that is a pronounciation issue nothing more. However according the the local IAS who tested him, his english is around level 1+ and they thought at least two years studying english was needed.John wrote:So gbswales, if you don't think your partner is up to taking test, just tell him ...... don't take the test! After all there is an alternative ... instead of providing a pass certificate from the Life in the UK Citizenship test .... he should provide a completion certificate from a combined ESOL/Citizenship course.
So why not try to find such a course in your locality, and get him on to that route.
I have explored that route however as I mentioned because he is treated as an overseas student until September 2011 it would mean paying the full fees and £5,000 pa are simply beyond our income
As regards the test, is it a good idea? The think the main purpose of the test is to ensure that applicants have a reasonable knowledge of the English language, and yes it helps if they know something about the country in which they are living.
Personally I think there is a difference between applying for British citizenship and ILR however even if I accept the value of the test - it doesnt meet those requirements at the moment. Many of the questions are about obscure history and facts of daily life that most people do not come into contact with. Also the english required is ESOL level 3 which seems to have a level of grammar and vocabulary that some indiginous English people do not meet. I and most of my friends who have tried these tests passed only because we took a guess at at least a third of the questions - it should at the very least be something that the average british person would get right 99% of the time.
Having said that I am pleased my (Thai) wife applied for her ILR and Naturalisation before the test/course requirement was added. But her knowledge of English language is good anyway. I wonder however if she would know the population of wales, how many MPs there are or in what year women got the right to vote at the same age as men? Go on ask her! My partner taught himself english because his parents could not afford the fees - apart from a little study at an american institute in Bangkok. I am not wealthy and we need for him to work as well really but have decided he should study for, and pass this test first. However I am pleased for you both
Absolutely not the case! You can apply for 2-year extensions. The marriage/CP does not end!I wonder whether other UK citizens getting married to other UK citizens would feel if the continuance of their marriage depended their partner passing this absurd exam.
If that is indeed the case then it is very good news - I have seen nothing in the Home Office so called guidence to suggest that he could continue doing this - by dooing this he could qualify as a home student and take the full time course at our local college - though we would have preferred to keep the first further education funding for something that would have more vocational value. However even if he didnt do the course it means longer to study. Do you know where I can confirm this officially as i cant believe that they would allow unlimited 2 year renewals? Of course the other risk is that legislation could change again making it even harderCan you speak any Islandic? Or Greek? No? But you still have a right to go and live and work in those countries.the immigrants most complained about (from eastern europe) do not have to satisfy any tests or even speak basic english
John wrote:Can you speak any Islandic? Or Greek? No? But you still have a right to go and live and work in those countries.the immigrants most complained about (from eastern europe) do not have to satisfy any tests or even speak basic english
You either jest, or you have not investigated the course route. An ESOL/Citizenship course costs nothing like £5000 per year!I have explored that route however as I mentioned because he is treated as an overseas student until September 2011 it would mean paying the full fees and £5,000 pa are simply beyond our income
Absolutely not! The English level required is not ESOL level 3 ... it is ESOL Entry level 3, which is distinctly lower.Also the english required is ESOL level 3 which seems to have a level of grammar and vocabulary that some indiginous English people do not meet.
You have seen nothing? Not sure where you have looked. If you download the form FLR(M) ... click here ..... and look at Q4.1, you will see that it caters for exactly the circumstance that might be in play here.If that is indeed the case then it is very good news - I have seen nothing in the Home Office so called guidence to suggest that he could continue doing this
Not sure that is the case. I think he needs ILR to be classed as a Home Student. But at least getting a further 2-year CP visa at least removes the time pressure to get the required certificate. And once the certificate is achieved, he can apply for ILR straight away, no need to wait until near the end of the new 2-year visa.by dooing this he could qualify as a home student and take the full time course at our local college
Well she is in Thailand at the moment on holiday, so no, I am not going to ask her. But I think you miss the point. It is of course the case that many indigenous UK people would fail the test ,,,,, or rather would fail the test unless they studied for it. In my mind this is exactly the same as if I, and I suspect you as well, sat for the GCSE English now without studying, we would do rather badly!I wonder however if she would know the population of wales, how many MPs there are or in what year women got the right to vote at the same age as men? Go on ask her!
I would hope not, although for some people a bit of studying would be a very good idea.John wrote:In my mind this is exactly the same as if I, and I suspect you as well, sat for the GCSE English now without studying, we would do rather badly!
I agree completely, indeed the test should ask more questions on actually useful skills (such as English). The problem is that it focuses too much on marginally relevant trivia.Indeed I have to say that it is great that effectively there is a requirement to ensure a certain level of English ability, and to get the certificate.