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Comprehensive Sickness Insurance for EEA2 Student app

Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:57 am

Hey everyone!

I'm an Italian citizen living in the UK with my Canadian boyfriend. He works, I'm in school. I know that we have to provide evidence of Comprehensive Sickness Insurance as a result of me being a student. What I am wondering is, would it be a problem that I have not had this insurance the entire time I've been a student? Could his application be rejected because we did not get insurance until, for example, the week before we send in the application? Further, can we cancel the insurance once he gets his RC? Lastly, does anyone have any recommendations for the cheapest/easiest insurance company available for this purpose?

Thank you so much for your help, this forum is an absolute lifesaver!

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Post by Lucapooka » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:05 pm

You will need it for the application but it won't matter that you did not have it previously. You will only be able to claim PR if you maintain CSI throughout all the periods when you are studying. So it's really up to you if you wish to cancel it and thus remove your qualification for PR in the future.

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:08 pm

Thanks for your advice! So what you're saying is that if I cancel the insurance after my boyfriend gets his RC, that it will affect MY right to permanent residence in the future, or his? What I am thinking is that I will not apply for permanent residence until I've been working in the UK for five years anyway (hopefully starting in the summer), in which case, I will not need the insurance at all. Or will they still reject my application for permanent residence despite this?

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Post by Lucapooka » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:10 pm

Yes, that's right, both of you need CSI; not just you. You can't include anytime you spent studying without CSI into the five year residence period that leads to PR. Can you elaborate on boyfriend? How durable is this relationship and what evidence do you have of this?
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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:11 pm

Yes, we will be living together for two years as of May 2013, but we are going to speed things up by getting married at the beginning of January. So "future husband" I guess. Does this make a difference for insurance purposes?

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Post by Lucapooka » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:13 pm

But when exactly are you making the EEA2 application and what is his current immigration status?

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:16 pm

We will be sending in the EEA2 application shortly after getting married. To prevent any accusations of a sham marriage, we will also send plenty of proof of cohabitation since May 2011.

He is currently on a Tier 5 Youth Mobility visa which expires at the end of July, which is why we're getting married in January; this way there will be no overlap between him receiving an RC and his current visa expiring.

Further, I don't actually need to apply for permanent residence or anything, right? It just means I won't be entitled to social benefits which I am not after anyway.

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Post by Lucapooka » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:18 pm

That's fine. Applying for PR is not obligatory, but it does remove the need to be continually exercising a treaty right. Useful if you have a baby and take time off, for example.

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:21 pm

Ew weird thought... marriage is hard enough to swallow at the moment!

Thanks so much for your advice!! So you think our application will be fine if we just get insurance before the application and cancel it upon him receiving his RC? Also, do we need to keep the insurance for the full possible 6 months the application will take, or is evidence of having insurance simply at the time of filling out the application sufficient? I.e, will the UKBA call up the insurance company to see if it's been cancelled while they're processing the app?

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Post by Lucapooka » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:34 pm

The insurance is a requirement but only comes under scrutiny for the application and for PR. If you prefer to discount any time spent as a student from the residence period for PR then I can't see anything to prevent you ditching the CSI after the RC is emitted. However, if you split up after the marriage and divorce, he will not get a retention of residence if you were not exercising effectively exercising treaty rights by having CSI. It's his problem more than yours.

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Post by Jambo » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:42 pm

Lucapooka wrote:Yes, that's right, both of you need CSI; not just you.
For EEA national student, just the EEA national need to hold CSI.

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Post by Lucapooka » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:48 pm

Jambo wrote:For EEA national student, just the EEA national need to hold CSI.
Yes, thanks for the correction. I note the difference.

If you are a student, [...] and evidence that you have comprehensive sickness insurance.

If you are economically self-sufficient, you need to supply evidence of comprehensive sickness insurance for yourself and any family members

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:58 pm

So what you're saying is that I need to have CSI as a student, but my non-EEA partner does NOT need it? Are you certain?

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Post by Lucapooka » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:38 pm

Yes, see the text I have cut from the guidance. I was confusing the requirement with self-sufficient families. However, you still need to have it if he is expected to live in the UK as your partner. If you don't have he can't apply for RC or for PR. And you can't apply for PR yourself.

Furthermore, if you stop studying and live off his wages, not working yourself, then you will be economically self-sufficient based on his income, and then both of you will need CSI in accordance with the text that I have cited above.

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:41 pm

Right, so then it's only a requirement for me, NOT him?

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Post by Lucapooka » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:42 pm

Lucapooka wrote:Yes

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Post by Jambo » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:04 pm

The requirement is on you but it affects his status.

His status is based on you. If you don't have CSI, you are not complying with the requirements and hence his residence (which is based on yours) is not according to the regulations and his PR will be affected.

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:07 pm

Yes I understood that, I just thought that we BOTH needed to be covered, which appears not to be the case UNLESS I have to depend on him financially, in which case we would BOTH need to have CSI. Is this correct?

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:29 pm

The reason I ask is because I'm covered under my father's insurance as long as I'm a student, and it would be a huge savings of time and money if my partner did not have to get it as well.

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Post by Obie » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:36 pm

If you are covered by your father's insurance, that is fine, but you will need to show you have sufficient resource, so as to ensure you are not a burden to UK Social Security.
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Post by Jambo » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:37 pm

sofia.d.c wrote:Yes I understood that, I just thought that we BOTH needed to be covered, which appears not to be the case UNLESS I have to depend on him financially, in which case we would BOTH need to have CSI. Is this correct?
If you are a student, only the EEA national need to be covered.

If you are NOT a student and depend on him financially, both of you need CSI.

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:39 pm

Do I need to include a letter from my parents declaring that they will financially support me as long as I'm a student? How can I prove that my parents support me?

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Post by Jambo » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:40 pm

Obie wrote:If you are covered by your father's insurance, that is fine, but you will need to show you have sufficient resource, so as to ensure you are not a burden to UK Social Security.
For a student, a declaration (signed letter by you) showing this is enough. You don't need to support this with evidence.

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:42 pm

That is amazing, thank you so much!!!

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Post by sofia.d.c » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:12 pm

Hi again, I just suddenly became paranoid that my CSI through my dad's insurance was not sufficient. Here is the letter they mailed to be (which will be printed on their official letterhead), is this going to be good proof of CSI?

Thank you for your recent inquiry.

You and your eligible dependents have coverage for treatment of an accidental injury or
unexpected illness not previously diagnosed or treated in Canada while traveling out of the
country for up to 60 days.

Please note that XXXXXX is currently eligible for this benefit.
Coverage will cease for employees at the attainment of age 99. Coverage will cease fordependent children when they reach 22 years of age. Coverage for dependents attending full time school will cease once they reach 25 years of age.

Reimbursement is subject to 100% coinsurance unlimited maximum.
All expenses would be reimbursed based on Reasonable and Customary Allowances as determined by Manulife Financial.

You would call the appropriate number on the back of your Emergency Travel Assistance card
(1-800-265-9977 within Canada /U.S. or collect to 519-741-8450 from other locations), and as
long as the expenses are over $200.00, everything will be handled up front for you.

If the expenses are under $200.00, claims would be considered on a reimbursement basis. In these
cases, you must first submit to your Provincial Plan for consideration and then send Manulife
their statement of payment or decline along with copies of the original receipts and a completed
Out of Country claim form. We will then consider any unpaid balance.

Your policy provides coverage for emergency Out Of Country treatment, and an emergency is defined
as a sudden, unexpected injury or an unforeseen illness which was not previously diagnosed or
treated in Canada. Coverage is also provided for a significant, unforeseeable complication of an
existing pre-diagnosed condition which was completely stable at the time of departure from Canada.

Emergency assistance services may not be available in all countries due to conditions such as war,
political unrest or other circumstances which interfere with or prevent the provision of any services.


Please note that this benefit does not cover loss of luggage or cancellation of trip.


The above information is provided to you for information purposes only. You should refer to your
policy for all terms and conditions of coverage. This e-mail reflects the benefits that are eligible
under the terms of the Group benefits plan as of the date of this email. When an actual claim is
submitted, benefits will be determined in accordance with the terms of the group benefits policy on
the date of treatment. Please be advised coverage must be in force when treatment is rendered for
benefits to be payable.

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